Second Thoughts

The One-Eyed View of Second Life

From my son, after flying around Jingi, where we have the Mainland Appreciation Society, an island of sanity surrounded by goons with land set for sale for $132/meter (it's sailing land, and even closer now to Bellissaria now that Belli has grown amazingly) and people with ban lines where all the passages for sailing might be lol.

[2021/02/10 12:40] Tripod Cyclops: (Saved Wed Feb 10 08:06:53 2021)You're here over two years according to your profile, you aren't a noob... So please, when you enter a parcel that is protected by security, respect the owners wish for privacy. Thank you.

[2021/02/10 12:43] Akasha (akakyakakyevich): ? I haven't entered any parcels, big guy. If I fly AROUND MY OWN LAND and happen to land on your maximum security bunker, if you have security, it should obnoxiously bounce away people. That's how they work, as you may need to learn if you are a newbie. The way they DO NOT work is to personally write net-nanny IMs to people who show up on your visitor list as they fly around THEIR OWN LAND or merely just fly around viewing the wonders of SL. So I'll make sure you're banned on all our properties so you can experience THAT wonder too. Block/ban

[2021/02/10 12:43] Trip (tripod.cyclops): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.

[2021/02/10 12:44] Akasha (akakyakakyevich): You and your gf make what could be a nice sailing sim a torture.

[2021/02/10 12:44] Trip (tripod.cyclops): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.

The gf is esme madrigal, if you want to add to your ban list around those sims so they can take what they dish out.

It's possible to have a skybox with an orb set to 40 meters or the immediate area without blocking the water on a water sim. Or any sim for that matter.

Here's the offending parcel.

What's odd is that this group, called leillay, has an orb that gives out messages warning you to leave in ten seconds or else! I just never noticed its messages because it doesn't eject in fact. Maybe these idiots don't know you have to deed the orb to the group.

So just by hovering slightly by their land when you are on your own land building or doing something, you set off their string of obnoxiousness.

I wasn't surprised to see another neighbour also has both of them in her ban list lol.

 

Rental Dementia: Agressively Learned Helplessness

So here's a fellow filled with the Christmas spirit -- not!

Screeching and carrying on like a banshee and such a foul mouth -- because he can't figure out how to switch a group title.

Despite being walked through it step by step in person.

Despite getting a picture of how it looks on the menu and how to change it.

Big spender telling me to keep the Lindens. Usually I refund anyone who didn't even last a day in a rental, but not after I get cursed like this.

There are rentals where after you pay, a bot sends an invitation. But I don't want the expense of a bot, nor caring for a bot, nor having a bot take up an avatar slot on a mainland sim. It's so unnecessary when you can click on a group joiner. Some people find it difficult even to do this -- they can't figure out to look for it in chat although it chats at you and tells you that.

I have not sent a group invitation since like 2007 and I won't start now. That's because:

o they often fail

o people don't focus even for a minute and get them, they go AFK or chat and miss it and it times out

o they are drunk or stoned and can't manage a simple thing like this.

So yeah, not going to be doing that.

Hmm..."pencil kneck" (sic) -- that must be a curse in a foreign language -- except I think it's actually American English.

"TuPapi" he calls himself.

[2020/12/20 10:12] pastulio1: (Saved Sun Dec 20 10:02:28 2020)hello
[2020/12/20 10:13] Prokofy Neva: Hi, welcome to Ravenglass Rentals!
[2020/12/20 10:13] TuPapi (pastulio1): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2020/12/20 10:14] Prokofy Neva: I added you to resident powers in the group La Montana Rosa. Switch to the title resident on the group menu to access ban, media, set landing, change parcel etc
[2020/12/20 10:14] TuPapi (pastulio1): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2020/12/20 10:14] Inventory item 'La Montana Rosa Quickstart' offered
[2020/12/20 10:14] TuPapi (pastulio1): User not online - inventory has been saved.
[2020/12/20 10:15] Inventory item 'News from Ravenglass Rentals Dec 12 2020' offered
[2020/12/20 10:15] TuPapi (pastulio1): User not online - inventory has been saved.
[2020/12/20 10:27] Prokofy Neva: Let me know if you want to have your teleporter locked
[2020/12/20 10:27] TuPapi (pastulio1): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[03:19] pastulio1: hi im having trouble with t his group request
[03:19] Prokofy Neva: there is a group joiner on site on the platform
[03:19] Prokofy Neva: you then right click on yourself after you join to pull up the group menu, first page
[03:20] Prokofy Neva: go down about half way to the titles and switch to residente
[03:20] Inventory item 'HOW TO SWITCH GROUP TITLE' offered
[03:22] pastulio1: yeah thank you but..forget it I dont like having to do anything like this, I juts want to pay and have everything I need on site, I dont like this set up ..just keep my L.... good bye
[03:22] Prokofy Neva: well everything you need is there, you just have to switch your title, and I'm happy to give you a refund, but it's really easy to do
[03:23] Prokofy Neva: you don't even really need to switch the title unless you want a music stream that you paste in
[03:23] pastulio1: I dont se it as easy at all.. You see I dont know what your talking about
[03:23] Prokofy Neva: well I sent you a picture of what it is
[03:24] pastulio1: You thinks its easy I do not,
[03:25] Prokofy Neva: ok I think it's taking longer for you to talk about it than just to follow the steps I'm giving you but that's ok, I'll send you a refund
[03:26] pastulio1: Ok.. Well I do know a ass hole when I hear one so go fuck your self pencil kneck
[03:26] pastulio1: I told you "GOOD BYE"
[03:26] pastulio1: THAT MEAN FUCK OFF
[03:27] pastulio1: MAKE IT A GOOD RANT BITCH IM BLIOCKING YOU
[03:27] Prokofy Neva: ummmm let me think now. Tens of thousands of people have done this simple thing not only in my rentals but in a zillion other groups but if you can't handle it and you need to swear at me, guess you don't get that refund big guy

"I'm Porked," says "Asadorable"

Here's the latest weepy video from Asadorable (sic).

Wow, I haven't had a video dedicated to me since Anonymous threatened me for my blog over the Steubenville story.

I pasted the chat for the record yesterday and thought that would be the end of it -- surely she wouldn't go to the trouble of making one of her weepy videos, would she? Oh, but I underestimated how much time she has on her hands.

She claims that I am "jealous" which accounts for my criticism of the videos. I've often found this dealing with the tiny minds of SL -- they assume in their cramped fashion that if you ever criticize anything -- the Lindens, them, their idols, why you must be "jealous" because you can't create the wonderful things they can, or have the insider status that they have. It never occurs to them how pathetic this high school pageant is.

Ermmm...I'm not jealous of anything here. "Other people know stuff that she doesn't," this pathetic woman warbles.

Um, you know, I'll live, if I don't find out personally the inside deal that Yava and Patch have concocted to spread the spam over SL even further. Maybe "Asadorable" doesn't realize that the plans to have even more pods infest Belli was already relayed by Patch on the forums, with intimiations of more to come. If she is now privvy to those details, that's great, it does show that my critique of the FIC is still valid, however.

You know there is a simple way to prevail in this argument.

Yavanna, the pod mistress -- or the Lindens -- can tell us what the statistics are. How many people ride the pods every day? But how many of them are rezzed? Once you hear that coefficient -- the tiny number of people who actually ride the pods versus how many are rezzed, you'll know -- it's senseless not to have them rez on demand, where in fact they might get more use (people will develop the habit of going to the rez areas as they do with Linden rez areas). On the other hand, if it's a respectable number even at the level of "successful" junk mailing (2%?), perhaps you have an argument to keep them spamming. But maybe not. 

"Asadorable" imagines that if I "can't see everything on the mainland" (I don't pretend to) 24/7, then...by her "logic," I can't make a pronouncement about their lack of use when I see them empty -- everywhere, on dozens and dozens of sims. Every single day. For years. On end. 

If these statistics "aren't a secret" and it's only a matter of "my ignorance" as "Asadorable" claims... then...I'm sure someone will quote them on the forums or somewhere. I've never seen them, ever. The Lindens can see them, of course.

Curiously, what appeals to this Trump voter the most is the uniformity of the pods. That they are always the same. As the careen across sims... Well, that's not a selling point to me. Even in Trumansville, the people and vehicles that passed by were different. It took him awhile to notice there was a pattern to it... I imagine this sort of thing flies over Adorable's head, though.

I think in Belli -- our Trumansville -- the pods are not going to go over real big. That's my estimation. I could be wrong, as the fangirlz and fanboyz can trample over even the realities of their neighbours disliking the pans, knowing that there is little the "silent majority" can do about it.

"Asadorable" concludes with a homespun proverb that I am sure will warm your heart:

"The only thing that trashifies the Mainland is...people."

"You...me...e'r'body," she adds for emphasis. Indeed. But some even very ugly people still make nice builds and visa versa. So I'm not really sold on that concept. It's the problem around Wagner and Ezra Pound and all that.

I'm brought to mind of this great video and the satirical saying, "That's why I don't paint people..."

Remember Lee Linden said the sims ran the best when there were no avatars on them.

Curiously, in her rant, "Asadorable"  repeats in the video what she said in the IM to me, that the empty pods are "like" my "empty rentals". Well, I don't think they're so empty, but if they're empty, so what? I never heard of empty rentals bothering people before. Again -- the logic escapes me. Obviously, my empty rentals aren't like empty pods that keep spamming up the roads on sims -- they don't move.

She then adds, "What about your rentals, eh?" regarding "trashing" of the Mainland. This is to claim my rentals are an eyesore on the Mainland. I think she's just reaching here. I've never heard anyone accuse me of having "eyesores" as rentals, or even what tenants put on it. I think this self-discredits. Basically, her video, which won't be seen by very many people -- and I'm only adding to her views LOL -- is a 14-minute ad calling to cancel me. Don't think the left has a hammerlock on cancel culture lol! She's a Trump voter and reaching for the cancel switch because...I disagree with the falsehoods told about the pods. That's all. I just speak up. I criticize something I think is spam. PS others agree with me. Oh, that reminds me, I need to put up a poll.

"She claims to have rented from me years ago and it was a "dictatorship". I don't recall her -- maybe it was an alt -- but anyone can judge for themselves. I have simple rules, like you can't put out orbs on the ground -- they annoy people. You can't build over two stories. Less rules than many islands or other rentals agents have -- and the ability to refund, which you won't find with them.

It's pathetic when people reach for falsehoods to make their case. I guess she feels threatened. I'm not sure what stake she personally has in the pods or even if she rides them. I do notice one funny thing that happened. A year ago, she was putting out weepy notices about what an enemy Yevad was and describing these bad things he had done. I'm old enough to remember this LOL. Now that video is scrubbed, I imagine. Oh well. She made a big point of talking about her three friends and how they hugged together for the sake of the Mainland. OK, that's great. It's too bad that they justify not only the pods, but GTFO and are so uncritical of the Lindens. I don't know what's in it for them.

 

 

 

On Leaving Linden Road Community Group - UPDATE

This group really doesn't do much. Population, 171, with quite a few who have not logged in since 2018 or 2019. I joined it because in principle I support any Mainland effort. Although some of the efforts of this group really go astray (obsession with spam pods). There's another group with the promising sounding name "Vivid Route Initiative" run by Reklame, whose name means "advertisement" in German, Russian and other languages. Here, the "vivid" has really gone astray. It's not the $77 charge to join (I'm not going to burn $77 on this and see how many members there are. And you will never convince me, for example, that Abner Mole's ugly black obelisks telling you to be a good neighbour, which Reklame spams everywhere on microparcels are effective at all -- I know they merely cause people not to rent my land when they sprout next to me. Maybe that's their ultimate purpose. Abner Mole is listed as the creator -- I can't be sure the texture on this obelisk is his, or if he supports spamming micro-parcels with it (likely not). I see various Mole fanbois like Evola Courtois love it. And Reklame of course, whose role in SL is opaque to me. His profile says "Vita secunda praeconium est," a made-up Latin phrase which I guess means "Second Life is advertising". And "Vita ludus non est" ("Life is not a game", something I'm not sure the ancient Romans said. I do stand corrected on a previous attribution I printed here, which is that Timo Daehlie is responsible for the ugly obelisks. He most certainly is not. He tells me that he hates the obelisks, too, and ARs them. I'm not sure how Timo's name became associated with the parcels, possibly because he bought microparcels to beautify them.

Linden Road Community has some enthusiastic supporters, although some would-be members are put off by the owner's support of Trump. That doesn't bother me; I have tenants who are Trump voters and European tenants with even worse political views; I'm a Democrat and a Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden voter, but it need not be a reason for rejecting someone in a virtual world.

BTW, I pretend little different re: membership log-ins with my older group, SL Public Land Preserve, population 785 (founded in 2005 by Random Unsung, my old alt), with people going back to 2006 who haven't logged on; the people from 2005 may have completely disappeared, although sometimes groups retain people who are gone from the People list. I should count the non-loggers -- they could make up as many as half. But it's ok, sometimes they come back so there's no need to boot them; after all, they paid $5 (and now $10) to join. Some have content here and there. And the main thing is that it grows every day. People are always joining, some rent, some hang out, some leave, and really, I don't ask them to do anything except follow the simple rules on the land. I give them regular group gifts and update the content frequently. Sometimes people donate tier or make areas. Every day I get cash donations at multiple sites. Not enough to pay the tier, but between the content sales, rentals, tier donations, and cash donations, a good part of the tier is covered.

As for Linden Road (which I don't view as any kind of competition and it's not about that) -- the very occasional notices mainly have to do with the owner getting hysterical about some non-event or kvetching about somebody doing something to her and explaining that she can't hold events. She's very good at making emotional YouTubes.  The latest one is a long lament about somebody with whom she had a nice conversation, but who TP'd away saying he could never get over their political differences because he couldn't support Trump. Understood. I usually can't sit still through all of these, Trump or no, pods or no -- she wasted an enormous amount of tears on the supposed demise of her beloved pods, but in fact they all were back in 2 days and it was a "misunderstanding". It's good she has a YouTube channel that has some competent videos of SL building tips and such. Maybe someone will be interested. I think making the channel "age restricted" is a bad idea and contributes to the misperception of SL, but whatever.

When Asadora had a Halloween event last year, which I took part in to be supportive (you could make your land a stop on a circuit ride), she constantly browbeat people for not taking part and wept when they didn't. I find that if people don't want to join a thing, you can't browbeat them and scold them. You're not interesting enough; try another thing. SL is like herding cats. People don't like organized activities especially if politics are involved. So it is what it is. 

Since I like the Mainland and tend to support things on there, I stayed in it, and I'm grateful for the few gifts -- although I thought it might be under the thumb of Yevad Doobie, one of those official hall monitors of SL who hates me for reasons I've forgotten or never knew (and who at first had a falling out with Asadora but I guess it was patched up) -- but probably because I criticized the pods. And with good reason. They spam up sims; nobody is ever in them; there is no reason on earth or the metaverse they can't be "rez on demand" and stop cluttering the view. Other people agree with me on this, but it's not the sort of thing we will ever get traction on because of the small coterie of pod lovers who actually don't log in much to actually ride them and are merely nostalgic about that one time in 2010 they rode one.

So I was flying around Adscita checking rentals and I got a message from Linden Roads about maps of the continents. I go to the Protected Roads Interest Group (owner Yevad Doobie)where the maps are said to be located and whoops, I'm banned. Oh well. If they're on all perms, someone will get them for me. If they aren't, I'll live.

So I spot Asadora Summers herself there who now goes by the display name "Asadorable Delightful" (...), the owner of the Linden Road Community (LRC) group there, and I IM her, and here's the conversation:

Prokofy: Oh, your lovely friend Yevad has me banned from this building so I can't get the maps. Oh, well, it's not important. This is because I rightly criticize those ridiculous pods that in fact are always empty and I have yet to see one with a person in them in years! Or...some other reason, who knows. Not important. Just thought I'd let you know.
[23:08] Inventory item 'Snapshot : Brair Rose Woods, Castaneae (68, 170, 87) - Moderate' offered
[23:08] Prokofy Neva: didn't have to wait long, here's an empty on now lol!
[23:12] Asadora Summers: Oh yeah... sorta like the sitting empty rentals you have right?
[23:12] Prokofy Neva: My empty rentals don't travel across other people's sims and spam up their view
[23:12] Prokofy Neva: bad analogy
[23:13] Asadora Summers: You have had the same argument for years and years. Obviously you don't realise that people love the pods and they actually use them. Just because you see them go by empty, doesn't mean they aren't used. You can't be on every route on all the continents to know if they are actually empty or not.
[23:13] Prokofy Neva: well they don't because...they're empty
[23:13] Asadora Summers: I have tried to be patient and understanding and defended you and frankly I'm sick of it.
[23:13] Prokofy Neva: other people who aren't in your insular coterie say the same thing
[23:13] Asadora Summers: they are not always empty!!!
[23:14] Prokofy Neva: I see them constantly empty
[23:14] Asadora Summers: You can't see every pod all the time 24/7
[23:14] Prokofy Neva: and I report this
[23:14] Prokofy Neva: the end
[23:14] Asadora Summers: Report them to whom?
[23:14] Prokofy Neva: well then they can release the statistics, but...they don't
[23:14] Prokofy Neva: to the world, so they can see how stupid this is
[23:14] Prokofy Neva: eventually the Lindens will end them
[23:14] Prokofy Neva: but you know, I don't have to be in your group. I don't even know why I am in your group.
[23:14] Asadora Summers: You have no idea that LL has given the pods the blessing and in fact are going to incorporate more yavapods
[23:15] Prokofy Neva: Um, I read the same forums as you do
[23:15] Asadora Summers: but you don't know the inside information that I do?
[23:15] Prokofy Neva: and eventually especially in Bellissaria they will get enough complaints and I won't have to be raising this topic
[23:15] Prokofy Neva: oh are you the inside dope with the inside dope? ok
[23:15] Prokofy Neva: I don't take the same weepy approach to SL that you do
[23:15] Asadora Summers: I understand you are a feeble old woman with nothing better to do than to play busy body in a virtual world
[23:16] Asadora Summers: But realise this, just as much as you hate 'all the pods' most of SL hates you.
[23:16] Prokofy Neva: um, I'm not a feeble old woman, are you? And I see you are out of arguments and have to make personal attacks
[23:16] Asadora Summers: Your IM is being held in a que. Wait time is forever.
[23:16] Prokofy Neva: um, most of SL in fact supports me OR doesn't know me, you live in deep illusion. Bye!
[23:16] Asadora Summers: Your IM is being held in a que. Wait time is forever.

Again, I think "most of SL" hasn't heard of me; if you took a vote, you'd find more supporters than detractors. Why? Because when I fly around and go to events and hear from tenants, they always say they like my posts and my blog and they think the same thing. They just don't say it because they don't want to take the hate that comes with defying the chosen ones on the forums and inworld. And I don't have any illusions that my views are "popular" -- they are controversial. But I think people appreciate that they are expressed, more than not. And in many cases agree with them.

Well, a petty mind is displayed here in this conversation, if you didn't figure that out from her YouTubes -- and since I'm not the one with a YouTube channel (I should start one someday!), do the math.

Note how this kind of low-intelligence mind works -- if I defend you, if I "do" for you, then you must defend me and "do" for me. I find that creepy.  It's one thing to have mutual aid societies and cooperation. It's another to have omerta. That someone can actually be on the Mainland as much as Asadora is and doesn't see that those pods are always empties means that there is just no hope here of getting a break-through to reality. But it's not necessary. Eventually, if the Lindens themselves don't grasp it, others will get them to see it because the pods spam up the view and don't need to be "always on". They can be rez on demand like the bubbles and the inner tubes, you know? The Moles don't send inner tubes constantly sailing across waterways; they put them at locations spaced out over sims so you can generally find one after looking for a minute. It's not rocket science.

What's also so-very-SL is that someone who doesn't share your view on something thinks that if she hasn't converted you, then bans of you should be supported. BTW she is a Trump voter who puts Trump signs on her SL lawns, but that doesn't matter -- it wasn't a reason not to join her group because I believe it's still possible to get along in SL. You don't need to agree on everything. You don't have to share RL or SL views. I don't express malice to the creator of the pods or to those who support them; I simply keep pointing out how stupid, wasteful and spammy they are. If you don't share that perception, it's not personal. And since the insiders have prevailed on this and got the ear of the Lindens -- who love load tests -- why begrudge someone their opposition? Why ban them? 

It's funny how a Trump voter ends up supporting the pods, which are essentially a socialist government-aspiring means of transportation. Trump supporters generally don't support such things. Even people like me think Amtrak should be privatized, it is run so poorly.

I don't bear malice to these groups; I think it's better if people in fact are not united and there are a variety of groups and they even take opposing sides on issues of the day. That's a much stronger civil society and democracy than just an authoritarian fan club worshiping Patch Linden and the Moles and doing what they want or their selected friends want.

Once someone engages in these kind of nasty personal attacks, however (despite not booting me from her group, so she can keep her numbers up lol and show off someone prominent), I ban them from my office or other central areas. Why have them creating trouble?

Again, my guess is that once those pods start hurdling across Belli, which actually gets some use, we may see some objections to them. I don't people will want their suburban or bucolic splendour interrupted by the Jetsons. The empty Jetsons' vehicles. In fact, if they do come to Belli, I bet they won't be able to appear as pods, which are ugly, but they'll make them other vehicles, perhaps those made by the "Bellissaria Parade" group guy, fonseca. He's very enterprising. There are enough different people in Belli that they may provide a counterweight of sorts to these forums regs and in-group FIC types that try to control things. Perhaps -- gasp! -- they may only be made rez on demand. Imagine!

I don't think Linden roads need attention or focus as the sim seam thing is likely insurmountable (although perhaps it will improve in the cloud). It's good enough. I see plenty of real people -- not empty pods -- riding along on their own horses or in cars. Sometimes they struggle; it can be hard and there is this drift to the right or left you constantly have to correct for -- except when you freeze and can't. But you know, you can fly in SL. You don't need to spend hundreds of RL dollars on Blake Sea land or horses or anything to enjoy SL. Sure, it's fun to have a thing to ride or sail. It's not vital, however, and not worth suffering over.

If the Lindens have extra time, I'd rather they name all their areas instead of calling them all "Coastal Area" and "Protected Land". They should have a contest -- residents would love to name sims. It would be fun

UPDATE: Note my corrected paragraph above about the true creator and deployer of the ugly black "Good Neighbour" obelisks. It's not Timo Daehlie but an obscure resident named Reklame ("advertisement") who has put them all over, and is a member of all the road groups. I'm banning him from Mainland Appreciation because of his hostile activity which doesn't rescue Mainland but despoils it.

I see "Asadorable" has now fallen out with her mates on the Linden Roads Discord server. They've now removed her channels and pictures and blocked her. I'm not sure if you pay for Discord or she paid in part but now others including Dismantled have taken over. It seems Holocluck, who is something of a FIC overload in Bellisseria and other enterprises, was annoyed with her making all those channels. I agree, it seems necessary and I have seen this happen before (which is why I don't like them or make them -- I associate them with games like FreeSO where I was on one). They are very game-like. People over-make channels at work on Slack, too, and people don't use them and forget to view them and crowd into one channel, that's human nature. Only the most draconian bosses can get people to use all of them. Don't worry I, won't be trying to join the pod route users group. Oh, here's some more empty ones going by...Look at this one leaving a road, driving down a dock, going into the water, and converting to a boat -- on Linden land where there already IS a free boat. Sigh.

 

 

Rental Dementia: buhh byee doll

So a genuine naif?

Or a cynical exploiter?

You decide.

The scene: a $100 camp site.

I had spent a certain amount of time in settling in this person who didn't seem to know what she was doing, but that's ok, that's common, I always explain. She overprimmed and I reminded her once. She's late, finally pays. Think I also returned something there that was breaking the rules, don't recall. I see the box expire, go through the grace period, but I don't have time to get to it -- it ages further. Now, this evening:

[18:47] Juicy Starlight: hey Prokofy ! sorry to bother you, im down by the box where i normally go to pay rent, for some reason it doesn't say my name like it did last time as well as how many days i have left
[18:56] Prokofy Neva: I will take a look
[18:57] Juicy Starlight: no problem ! thanks again, just makes it confusing i wanna make sure im paying the right box hehe
[18:58] Prokofy Neva: can you tp me
[18:58]

[18:59] Juicy Starlight: hey there !
[19:00] Prokofy Neva: Hi, it can't say your name or how many days are left until you pay it
[19:00] Prokofy Neva: so you have 150 prims, you have out 140, Misu Moon has 33, so you need to reduce
[19:01] Juicy Starlight: yes will reduce right after this
[19:01] Juicy Starlight: hmm but itneresting
[19:01] Juicy Starlight: i could of swore it told me how many days i had left before
[19:01] Prokofy Neva: it does that when you pay it
[19:01] Prokofy Neva: when it expires, you didn't pay it, your name is not on it, someone else will rent it
[19:02] Prokofy Neva: you have a grace period of 2 days and then anyone can rent it
[19:02] Prokofy Neva: so this is still available, you pay it and it's yours
[19:02] Juicy Starlight: ahhhh i see i see! just had to make sure, im sooo sorry to bother you about this. But now i understand better
[19:03] Juicy Starlight: thanks again mr Neva, i'll go and reduce now
[19:03] Prokofy Neva: I would think in 9 years you would might have learned how rental boxes worked but ok
[19:03] Juicy Starlight: i never had to rent, i always had others pay for me LOL
[19:03] Juicy Starlight: talk about the simple life, am i right ?
[19:04] Juicy Starlight: but thaaaaaanksss

Well, here, Holly Golightly might have tripped off to Breakfast at Tiffany's and I wouldn't have heard from her again, but obviously instead she stewed for 12 minutes and also had time to rehearse her grievances with her gal pal Cutiepie. Hence:

[19:16] Juicy Starlight: i would think after 15 years you would know how to treat your tenants, even if the reasoning for your help is dumb. Soo congrats !! your uppity, bitchy attitude lost you a tenant !! have a wonderful day :)
[19:32] Prokofy Neva: People deceive me all the time. You were late with your rent, and did this little act to pretend you didn't understand anything. It's total bullshit. Buh-bye hon.
[19:33] Juicy Starlight: actually no, i had no idea i was late, but you were rude buhh byee doll
[19:33] Prokofy Neva: You've ripped me off with overprimming multiple times for days on end, and you've been late. So honestly, look at yourself, you're the problem, and in deep self-delusion if not cynicism

Now, perhaps a better person would just say nothing when they see this act put together by someone in SL 9 years who wasn't born yesterday. But I honestly didn't think it was really possible for someone never to understand a rental box and "why it doesn't have my name on it," when it expires. I have never heard that particular statement that results either from cluelessness, newbiehood, or deception.

Have you?

It's a first.

I've had, "I can't pay it because I'm on the Spanish-language viewer and it doesn't show pay buttons" -- something I might believe, but well, don't quite.

I've had very often, "I never got a reminder" or "My messages cap," but you have 4 of them that go out, then a manual, and messages don't cap if you tie your account to email and also use that block/unblock trick to force them to flood in.

In this case, the person paid another RV area once and was moved because her home didn't fit; she overprimmed and had her box re-set -- she thus saw how the box refunded did not "have her name on it" or "the number of days left" because...it was refunded and reset. She already paid it September 1 for 2 weeks without wondering back then "why her name wasn't on it". It then expired September 14, she had a two-day grace period, and then actually another four full days where it sat there unpaid because I didn't get around to booting her. And yet I get this ration of shit. It's not reasonable.

So I made a comment that was snarky but I think had to be made to let this person know that she can't fuck with me as she has been doing. That I'm now wise to her, and it's over. She's had some forbearance, and she's not evicted but she has to stop with the bullshit if she stays.

Especially as she is overprimming again -- and that's how that game will go as long as she is there unless you return her prims ruthlessly, and then she will claim you lost something previous in her inventory.

Now comes her girlfriend -- are you surprised?

[19:35] CutiePie Alphaville: FIRST OFF I was helping her with the box because she had been away from sl for quite some time. SECOND off the way you treat people you should have your fucking ims stripped from you ... you are absolutely arrogant in the worst way among an ignorant cunt I hope you choke on a cough drop you sorry excuse for a man ... fucking beta male cunt.
[19:36] CutiePie Alphaville: I'll make sure word gets around about how you treat people paying your fucking bills irl enjoy the business loss
[19:49] Prokofy Neva: Um, I'll try to see if I can get over my big business lost of...40 cents a month. buh=bye

I think you'll agree that this somewhat snarky but likely accurate comment from me doesn't merit this kind of foul mouth from her. But delicacy and restraint are not characteristics of these kind of people. Remember, I said:

I would think in 9 years you would might have learned how rental boxes worked but ok

Rental boxes have been in SL since at least 2003. Even if you never rented, you would see them at malls. But many people have rented. CutiePie has a new name from the new name list but is an old avatar of 

Seeing that she was overprimming AGAIN and late AGAIN, what I could have said, time's up, you're gone, bye, and just boot them. In fact automatic rental systems would have done that, and big agencies with staff if that didn't do it.

Oh, actually my "business loss" isn't 40 cents a month, it's 52 cents a month, because the last time they over-primmed, I said I could increase the box at the same rate, so I went to $132/200 prims. Whoop de do. I never saw what these working girls put in the sky -- it's better not to look sometimes.

So Juicy's profile says she is a "spoiled bimbo tranny hooker" and the other one, Alphaville, has a Flickr that seems like she favours portrayals of herself as sort of a barely legal Asian hentai human sort of porn star. Then she puts on her profile "My Avi Is 5ft. Don't Question Me 👌"

Um, ok. I suppose when I see people like this coming I should eject them on the grounds that they cannot have commercial activity in residential areas with cheap rates of 0.66/prims, but a small camping spot is usually not what they can use to have a brothel -- it's where they might have their getaway from their brothel activity. I could eject them on the grounds of public adult activity in mature, but they aren't engaging in and honestly, I am not going to chase them.

I guess I don't view people paying 40 cents a month or even 52 cents month in a small camping site area (which really doesn't even pay for the tier it costs, which is kind of a loss- leader and a charity, really), as "paying my bills in IRL".  I mean perhaps cumulatively, all my rentals, and then even a lowly 52 cent rental should be scorned. But the reality is, more of my staff time, or somebody's staff time, goes into policing these cheap places and trying to make them work than is often warranted. And more and more, I've been eliminating them, folding them up, creating larger parcels, and renting them to people who aren't assholes like this.

This particular sim has been generally free of trouble, some of the people have been there very long in the camping spots; others come and go. I didn't push it much this summer with advertising and offers because I was busy with other things. I find camping spots, because they are cheap, do attract low-lifes of the ageplay type -- I have a rule that no child avatars can camp there -- they weren't child avatars. I find alt nests try to move in and take over multiple spots and harass me endlessly when I boot them -- but that's a story for another day.

Basically, these two are just assholes. They are likely males, who enjoy dressing up as girls and harassing other people, especially other men. Of course, you can't know that for sure but I find usually these aggressive, exaggeratedly dolled-up types are not actual women in RL. In my experience, avatars that are women in RL don't feel the need for this kind of exaggeration and aggressive behaviour in SL -- it's men who do.

Perhaps they suffered childhood traumas and now we all have to suffer. They don't take SL at all seriously; it's a game in which you try to grab the most out of other people and act faux outraged if you are caught at it -- it's a common griefer technique. One of them has a kind of 4chan griefer kind of image on her profile -- they're a type. If someone wants to have a transgender in SL, more power to them. SL is great for that. I have nothing against them, obviously.

When people threaten to badmouth me and spread some malicious falsehood about me, they get published. It's the only recourse we have. This one also gets an AR for obscenity.

This is a type, a type I am very familiar with, and a type that in other contexts, like Twitter, exhibit full-blown authoritarian mania, elevating every real and more often imagined hurt as a "safetyism" issue. The griefers learned on line -- and later in real life -- that if you play the victim in the identity-politics saturated world we live in, you can get what you want, like a small child throwing a tantrum.

The other day on Twitter I saw somebody's advice about how to fight these terrible temper tantrums thrown by say, transgender anti-fa or BLM marchers claiming that if you photograph them, you are harming them and they may be doxed and harassed online or harmed by police. This is nonsense of course, and journalists need to resist this latest cunning manipulation. The way to prevent someone being arrested from being harassed is to publicize police activities at marches including arrests. That's very basic. And if you think you are entitled to come to a march in black with a mask not only about COVIC and demand anonymity while you set things on fire and beat up people, sorry, no sale.

This person said, "Just say no."

"No" is not what these children spreading the ethos of Evergreen and Portland all over the US now, have ever heard in their lives.

"Just say no."

So I do.

 

 

 

 

Rental Dementia: I DARE YOU TO FIND THAT

The scene: a customer has written both to me and my son's account with one of those annoying CS calls we all get with no information in it -- "hi R you there? I have a problem" - but without even another line to express the problem.

As this happens while we're asleep on another time zone, he's not going to get back to me right away, so I try to investigate what his problem is. Looking quickly, I see he is in a sim, and has refunded from the first box he paid, and then stayed on the second box he paid.

Background: just the day before, a tenant came and paid two boxes on that same sim; he then asked to have the two lots joined so he could count prims and have the radio stream work better. So the lots were merged and the 2 boxes left and not reduced to 1 box because you never know how long a person will stay, and it is a nuisance to re-parcel.

So getting this ticket, I assume that the problem involves the same tenant with the two merged boxes; that he is that this guy does not realize how prims work in a group, is staying on the merged lot, but paying only one box. This set-up is something we can do on some sims with more of our land and more prims; on this one we can't as there are less prims. People find it very, very hard to understand how prims work in a group and the relationship of square meters to prims. Some just never do.

Today I had another guy who has literally been in our rentals for years on end, mainly on one sim, but not only, always in groups on group land, and yet he was still sending an exasperated ticket (again, over night, on another time zone) saying he had spent hours trying to put out his house, only to discover that the parcel limit was less than his house, so he took his house down after all that trouble. It didn't occur to him to wonder why his house didn't return.

And the answer is -- dare I say it? -- in a group prims work differently, you are not limited to the parcel limit it states on that particular parcel as if it were a sole parcel. But it's not a sole, stand-alone parcel. It is in a group. So you draw from the entire pool of prims on that sim. Thus if a parcel says 175, but you want to give 200 or 250 you can -- it is the leased amount.

No other element of group rentals makes people more crazy (except possibly the home invasion issue) and makes them more likely to accuse you of fraud, to rant and scream at you, to get exasperated and angry themselves, no matter how much you explain it. It is explained on the rental info (lease card) when they pay; it is explained on the "quick start"; it is explained on "FAQs" handed out; it is in the office on signs, but even if I hired a blimp to float across the sky every time someone rented, it would not stick. I don't mind explaining it 100 or 1000 or 8 million times as I have in the last 15 years. SL is hard and bawky. What I do mind is people assuming that I'm a greedy landlord deceiving then and ripping them off. I think they have no idea how a $250L rental - with the discount a $900/month rental totaling US $1.20 at current rates -- is not going to be an arena where someone will rip you off. This is not a US $175 sim.  The time it would take to rip you off would be more than what you would receive from an alleged "rip-off". Honestly...

So here we go:

[00:31] Christopher Dallas: (Saved Sat Sep 12 03:00:01 2020)hello are you online by chance? i have a problem with a parcel, sorry to bother :s
[00:31] Prokofy Neva: Hi, leave a detailed message to get help
[08:17] Christopher Dallas: (Saved Sat Sep 12 03:54:30 2020)hi thank you for replying to me, the problem is fixed :)

Note: the problem isn't fixed, because he's fixed it by refunding from a lot where he thinks he was ripped off, in order to find another one where he thinks he isn't.

[08:26] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I saw you refunded from one of your rental boxes. But the issue there isn't that you can take the square meters from the previously joined parcels, but just pay for the prims of one of them. We have to rent by the square meters as well in an area where there are multiple houses closely spaced like that. So let me know.
[08:26] User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.

Here I mix up two different customers -- understandably because they have had identical activity on the same sim within the same 24 hours. You can't remember every distinct name for every one of hundreds of transactions, although I try to. But once I went inworld -- which I did immediately -- and checked the parcels and saw the names were different, and checked the "my account" and saw the exact transactions and names, I realized the -- understandable -- error. But not right away, because next what happens, this customer is telling me of some "mistake" where something is "not what it is supposed to be" -- when in fact he has merely not read the card.

The card says this at the first rental -- from which he has refunded, thinking there was an error:

NOTE: In a group, prims work differently; you are not limited to the prims on parcel of the individual parcel nor will you take all of them in every case, you draw them from the group's holdings on this sim; don't go over your limit or you may take them from others.

[16:55] Christopher Dallas: i don't understand what you're talking about, i rented a parcel that was supposed to be 250L/ for 300 prims but it was only 175 prims allowed. so i abandoned it and rented another parcel that was advertised properly, what is the problem?

Supposed to be? That's only your assumption. It is clearly marked what it is on the land description and the info card in the rental box clearly says this:

NOTE: In a group, prims work differently; you are not limited to the prims on parcel of the individual parcel nor will you take all of them in every case, you draw them from the group's holdings on this sim; don't go over your limit or you may take them from others.

[16:56] Christopher Dallas: hello?
[16:57] Christopher Dallas: " But the issue there isn't that you can take the square meters from the previously joined parcels, but just pay for the prims of one of them." how would i be taking the square meters of both parcels when i abandoned and refunded 1 of the parcels?
[16:59] Prokofy Neva: I think you probably aren't understanding how prims work in a group

Indeed he does not. But you can see the confusion here -- I'm thinking he is on the first tenant's double parcel; he's on a 2nd parcel after refunding from a 1st -- different. But the issue really still is he doesn't get how prims work. You can see his belligerence -- "what's the problem. hello?" So I try again:

[16:59] Prokofy Neva: you go by what the land description and the lease says, as it tells you, you don't go by the limitation on that parcel as if it were stand alone
[17:00] Prokofy Neva: I thought you were in Itame and had two parcels merged when you rented both
[17:00] Prokofy Neva: There isn't an issue of "advertised properly" as far as I can tell but I'm glad to check

Remember, this is what he said, it was indeed an accusation -- he believes he is stating a fact, that something "isn't advertised properly" but he simply hasn't read the basic info card easily obtained from the rental box he paid. So again, his belligerent statement is this:

: i don't understand what you're talking about, i rented a parcel that was supposed to be 250L/ for 300 prims but it was only 175 prims allowed. so i abandoned it and rented another parcel that was advertised properly, what is the problem?

[17:00] Christopher Dallas: listen

[17:01] Christopher Dallas: you were accusing me of trying to get away with something

Um, no. He only imagines that. So here's my text again: 

Hi, I saw you refunded from one of your rental boxes. But the issue there isn't that you can take the square meters from the previously joined parcels, but just pay for the prims of one of them. We have to rent by the square meters as well in an area where there are multiple houses closely spaced like that. So let me know.

There's no accusation here. Just an information of what the policy is and how it works.

[17:01] Prokofy Neva: um, no, I was explaining how it works, that you could link 2 parcels, and have two boxes to pay, then keep one box, but keep the square foot of the two

[17:01] Christopher Dallas: accusing me of trying to use the prim allotment from 2 parcels while i only pay for 1

Note that he goes on in this belligerent manner believing that a) he has first been deceived with false advertising b) now he is being accused of an attempted rip off -- while there is in fact a clear statement of the offer, and in fact merely a mistaken identity issue involving two tenants right next to each other (which he doesn't realize yet) and in fact never any accusation. The record shows it.

[17:01] Prokofy Neva: that's all, it's just a factual issue
[17:01] Prokofy Neva: um, not an accusation, an explanation
[17:01] Christopher Dallas: how would that be possbile when i already refunded 1 parcel?
[17:02] Prokofy Neva: because the parcels were *merged*
[17:02] Prokofy Neva: are you forgetting that part?
[17:02] Christopher Dallas: you already messaged me once and i said don't worry about it problem fix
[17:02] Christopher Dallas: how were they merged if i abandoned and refunded 1?
[17:02] Prokofy Neva: so I will now unmerge them, and you will be clear which one you are on
[17:02] Prokofy Neva: because they were physically merged together when you rented both? hello?
[17:02] Prokofy Neva: again, you're also not understanding how prims work in a group
[17:03] Prokofy Neva: but that's ok, if you want to rent just one parcel, I will unmerge them
[17:03] Prokofy Neva: but there isn't any false advertising; in a group you are not limited to one parcel's prim limit
[17:03] Prokofy Neva: do you grasp that?
[17:03] Christopher Dallas: when someone clicks "refund time" on a payment box that usually means they're not interested in that parcel any more -____-
[17:03] Prokofy Neva: so on a parcel that says "175" as its limit, in a group, you can have 200 prims or 300 prims or whatever, whatever the group has on that sim
[17:04] Prokofy Neva: well if you have refunded it because you believe it is in error or something, I'm explaining how it works
[17:04] Prokofy Neva: if you want only one of two parcels you had *which were merged* they will then be unmerged, pretty basic
[17:05] Christopher Dallas: you'd think refunding your time on a box would do that

You'd think that your reason for refunding, which was based on a misunderstanding of how prims work, and a pre-set belief that landlords ripped you off, once explained as misplaced, would be dropped. You think he might even grasp he could go back to his original parcel with a nicer view. But instead, he doubles down, so I persist in explaining -- because I still don't realize he's a different guy.

[17:05] Prokofy Neva: you're still not grasping the problem here
[17:05] Prokofy Neva: you rented two parcels
[17:05] Prokofy Neva: you spread a house over two parcels; they were merged
[17:05] Prokofy Neva: now you want to keep *the square footage* of that combined 2 parcels and spread out your house
[17:05] Prokofy Neva: while paying only for the prims of one parcel

Note I still haven't figured out he is a DIFFERENT tenant (on the same sim, next door) but soon I will, so he is only getting more angry, having started with a) a belief he was ripped off b) a belief that he is "accused" of some rip-off when in fact something is merely being explained to him.

[17:06] Christopher Dallas: i never rezzed anything
[17:06] Prokofy Neva: and while that sometimes can be done as I explained
[17:06] Prokofy Neva: it can't be done here
[17:06] Christopher Dallas: and i never wanted 2 parcels or the prims of 2 parcels
[17:06] Christopher Dallas: i just wanted to refund that one
[17:06] Prokofy Neva: ok well I am trying to see where you are to see the issue
[17:07] Christopher Dallas: wait did you think i have 2 parcels that near each other or are you just using the rez house as example
[17:07] Christopher Dallas: because i never rezzed anything yet
[17:07] Prokofy Neva: no
[17:07] Prokofy Neva: because two parcels in Itame were merged
[17:08] Prokofy Neva: ok I see the issue now
[17:09] Christopher Dallas: wait nothing was merged with me
[17:09] Prokofy Neva: on that sim is a tenant who had two parcels merged and spread his house over those 2
[17:09] Prokofy Neva: he has two rental boxes and both are paid, but it's not you, it's another name, it's just merely the same sim
[17:09] Christopher Dallas: oh probably added to confusion
[17:09] Prokofy Neva: well he also refunded one
[17:10] Prokofy Neva: at the same time by coincidence, but then repaid it
[17:10] Prokofy Neva: so you are on no. 6 up on the hill
[17:10] Prokofy Neva: on one parcel
[17:10] Prokofy Neva: so I see now where the confusion is
[17:10] Christopher Dallas: yeah just 1 parcel for now
[17:10] Prokofy Neva: if you previously rented ANOTHER parcel and refunded
[17:10] Prokofy Neva: then you get a refund of the cancellation fee
[17:10] Prokofy Neva: so what was the number on the previous parcel
[17:11] Christopher Dallas: yeah i just moved parcels and refunded the other one because i thought it was lower prim but i think everything is fine now

Finally admitting that he misunderstood the offer -- he could have stayed at had the needed prims beyond 175 and not refunded at all. Better late than never.

[17:11] Christopher Dallas: my only concern is that you thought i was trying to get away with something or w/e

There is no text that would prove such an intent; this interchange is typical of the mindset of the tortured insecure, always imagining someone is hating on them and plotting on them.

That there is a BELIEF there is an intent is a common problem due to the built-in, knee-jerk reaction to landlord situations, where because of the bad actions of a tiny number of mainly ISLAND landlords turfing their customers off without refunds or explanations, there is a belief that any landlord is a potential thief (carried over from RL as well).

[17:11] Prokofy Neva: well as I'm trying to explain, you don't go by parcel limit but by your lease
[17:12] Prokofy Neva: well that was never said, I was trying to explain the issue with trying to keep 2 merged parcels is all, that we can't rent it that way in this region, we can in others where there are more square meters and prims
[17:13] Christopher Dallas: how do i keep track of how much i have rezzed on this parcel? just inspect land and will the parcel land impact exceed the parcel land capicity ?
[17:13] Christopher Dallas: capacity
[17:13] Prokofy Neva: right click on the land to get the about land menu
[17:13] Prokofy Neva: tab over to objects
[17:13] Prokofy Neva: see prims on parcel
[17:14] Prokofy Neva: management prims do not count on your count
[17:14] Christopher Dallas: ah right but im just curious because it says parcel land capacity 351 but you can actually rez more or?

You can see that while I have explained multiple times now in the last 15 minutes, and just explained it YET AGAIN, that yes, you rez more as your lease says because you can do it in the group, there is still this disbelief and doubt and suspicion. Over and over.

[17:14] Prokofy Neva: ok I've explained that to you several times and you are not seeing it so let me visually demonstrate it
[17:15] Christopher Dallas: no no
[17:15] Christopher Dallas: don't worry
[17:15] Christopher Dallas: i was just curious how to keep up with the prim count of things i rez i was wondering if it will show my prims past the 351 count or if thats something i have to be aware of myself
[17:17] Christopher Dallas: because the only count i have is the parcel land impact

Well this is another misunderstanding.  It's not true at all. The "about land" menu shows multiple counts and the limit. Maybe I need to make a giant poster with this very dumbed down. Parcel land impact IS IN FACT your count of what you put out. It is parcel land CAPACITY that you will ignore.

[17:17] Prokofy Neva: the limit is 351
[17:17] Christopher Dallas: object owners and prim count per owner is not displayed for me

No, they are only viewable by the officer of the group. But the parcel land IMPACT is viewable, as is the capacity -- which he noticed and erroneously thought was a hard limit he could not cross, not realing in a group it's different. He is still oblivious of what he can see on the menu right in front of him, whether Firestorm or the SL viewer, which is PARCEL IMPACT NOT PARCEL CAPACITY.

So there is where I come over to demonstrate it by rezzing a high prim house, Minimal's Philippines scene.

[17:17] Prokofy Neva: so how many prims are in this scene I just rezzed
[17:18] Prokofy Neva: 267
[17:18] Prokofy Neva: now let me rez it again
[17:18] Prokofy Neva: Now there is 534
[17:18] Prokofy Neva: now how could I do that if the limit was 351
[17:18] Christopher Dallas: xD
[17:18] Prokofy Neva: they don't bounce back, they don't return
[17:18] Prokofy Neva: how could that be
[17:19] Christopher Dallas: i don't think yo understand
[17:19] Christopher Dallas: its ok
[17:19] Prokofy Neva: so where do you go to track this
[17:19] Prokofy Neva: the about land menu
[17:19] Prokofy Neva: as I said, the upper right hand corner has the entire number of prims on this sim
[17:20] Prokofy Neva: so if there is 2015 on the sim as a whole in our group, and your limit is 351, are you being cheated and deceived as you claimed, is something inaccurately marked?
[17:20] Christopher Dallas: listen man
[17:20] Prokofy Neva: No, you're just not understanding that you have whatever your lease says to put here, you are not limited by the square meters
[17:20] Christopher Dallas: you're not listening its already been discussed xD

Apparently this guy still doesn't see where he went wrong, or where to watch, likely because he's not really studying the about land menu in good faith; his perception is still blinkered by his hatred and suspicion of landlords and his belief a landlord has accused him of wrongdoing. 

Trust me, this is not about virtual life missing facial cues or verbal tones. That would help, and it's nice to have, but it's a deeper problem. It's about free-floating hatred and fear that swinging dicks like this bring to every transaction, likely in RL too.

[17:20] Prokofy Neva: No, I listened
[17:20] Christopher Dallas: here
[17:20] Christopher Dallas: don't worry about it
[17:20] Prokofy Neva: I don't think you realize that your lease of 375 prims is good on a sim with 351 limit
[17:21] Christopher Dallas: last night i already replied to your message
[17:21] Prokofy Neva: because you draw from the whole pool of sims
[17:21] Christopher Dallas: and i said "don't worry problem fixed"
[17:21] Christopher Dallas: xD
[17:21] Prokofy Neva: yes but you moved because you inaccurately believed you had only 175 prims
[17:21] Prokofy Neva: which is not true
[17:21] Prokofy Neva: you had what the ad said and the box said in Hector, a different sim with an even bigger pool
[17:21] Christopher Dallas: yes but it was just a confusion
[17:22] Christopher Dallas: i was only claifiying because you bought up the whole thing about me trying to use 2 parcels and pay for 1
[17:22] Prokofy Neva: no, it's your belief that landlords are out to deceive you and rip you off, your projection
[17:22] Christopher Dallas: remember?
[17:22] Prokofy Neva: and your failure to read the info card and the description
[17:22] Christopher Dallas: you already admitted to confusing me with someone else.
[17:22] Christopher Dallas: remember that?
[17:22] Christopher Dallas: xD

Yes, I readily did that because I have no reason to lie, and provided him with a full explanation. But he was still asking me how he counted prims; when told multiple times, he was still incredulous -- really? I can put out more than 351? So it was physically demonstrated to him, and he is still trying to claim that when he said "problem fixed" it was -- and all along supplying the smug "xD" sign. You can see what we're dealing with here.

[17:22] Prokofy Neva: yeah, and remember how you claimed you were ripped off because a parcel "only had 175" and "the ad was wrong'
[17:23] Prokofy Neva: so I've been trying to explain that you are simply lacking information about how prims work in a group
[17:23] Prokofy Neva: and are unwilling to read an info card and FAQs card sent to you
[17:23] Prokofy Neva: that's all
[17:23] Christopher Dallas: copy paste where i said i was ripped off

Um, well, copy-paste where I said you did something wrong, Big Guy. I merely explained the policy about not using square meters with less prims.

[17:23] Prokofy Neva: so find another rentals? that would be my advice
[17:23] Prokofy Neva: this is a self-service rentals

Here he refunds. Good! In doing so, he imagines in his tiny mind that he is somehow "teaching me a lesson". That he is depriving me of...what was it again? ... US $1.20 PER MONTH and that this is a huge loss for me and I am crying at my failure to give good customers service LOL.

[17:23] Christopher Dallas: i said i was confused xD
[17:23] Prokofy Neva: if at any time you are unhappy with service
[17:23] Prokofy Neva: who will you blame now?
[17:23] Prokofy Neva: you will blame yourself
[17:23] Christopher Dallas: i literally don't know what you're talking about
[17:23] Christopher Dallas: haha
[17:23] Christopher Dallas: you've lost me
[17:24] Prokofy Neva: well you can always re-read the chat some other time
[17:24] Christopher Dallas: at the start of all this i just wanted to clarify that it i wasn't trying to use 2 parcels and pay for 1"
[17:24] Christopher Dallas: to which you replied
[17:24] Christopher Dallas: oh yes sorry, that was someone else.
[17:24] Prokofy Neva: well because you are literally right next to a lot of another person who did this at the same time, that's all
[17:24] Christopher Dallas: i don't understand what you're continuing on about xD

Because you were still incredulous that you could rez out more than 351 prims, see above.

[17:24] Christopher Dallas: so how is that my problem?
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: lol
[17:25] Prokofy Neva: I immediately came to view it and saw, oh, that's another guy and explained it
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: well
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: there you go
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: see?
[17:25] Prokofy Neva: meanwhile I've been trying for half an hour to see what was that OTHER lot you said you were ripped off at in order to refund your cancellation fee
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: you make mistakes too
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: :)

This macho man can't resist gleefully rubbing it in -- but his self-awareness of where he went wrong is still missing.

[17:25] Prokofy Neva: yes but I don't accuse people of ripping me off as you do
[17:25] Prokofy Neva: where in my text does any accusation appear
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: i never said anything of the sort

Let's rehearse it again, because his original belligerent message may be forgotten by now:

: i don't understand what you're talking about, i rented a parcel that was supposed to be 250L/ for 300 prims but it was only 175 prims allowed. so i abandoned it and rented another parcel that was advertised properly, what is the problem?

[17:25] Prokofy Neva: an EXPLANATION of the rule appears
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: i dare you to find any text i sent to you
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: accusing of being ripped off
[17:25] Prokofy Neva: now here's your loss: you don't get any cancellation fee back at all
[17:25] Christopher Dallas: I DARE YOU TO FIND THAT

Well, I just did. You said "supposed to be" and "advertised properly" shifting the blame to me and INDEED making an accusation, without any awareness of your own mistake.

[17:26] Prokofy Neva: so find another landlord to torture
[17:26] Christopher Dallas: i already got my money back xD
[17:26] Christopher Dallas: moron

Here he doesn't even grasp that his refund is minus a $25 cancellation fee. Oh, well.

[17:26] Prokofy Neva: you said the ad was "misleading"
[17:26] Prokofy Neva: and it wasn't, your ability to read was "misleading"
[17:26] Christopher Dallas: when i was confusing, not in an aggressive or attacking way

Um, really? anybody who belligerently says "what's the problem" and that they moved to where it was "advertised properly" has made an accusation and is being belligerent. They have no self-awareness. None.

[17:26] Prokofy Neva: so I'm done, have a nice Second Life : )

I block him, but then unblock him when I think to send written proof of the policy that was at his original rental.

[17:28] Inventory item 'Rental Info' offered
[17:28] Prokofy Neva: Note the lease card from your first rental with "175 prims"
[17:28] Prokofy Neva: NOTE: In a group, prims work differently; you are not limited to the prims on parcel of the individual parcel nor will you take all of them in every case, you draw them from the group's holdings on this sim; don't go over your limit or you may take them from others.
[17:28] Christopher Dallas: thats no problem
[17:28] Christopher Dallas: we will see how people enjoy your threats maybe?

Threats? Where is there any threat from me? See, this is the moment when a person ends up in "Rental Dementia". They claim falsely of false advertising; they claim falsely that they are accused of wrong-doing; they claim falsely that they have been threatened. It's how the tiny, belligerent macho mind so often works. It's like a machine that grinds in circles and can't do anything else.

[17:28] Prokofy Neva: so there is nothing misleading here
[17:28] Christopher Dallas: :)
[17:28] Christopher Dallas: have a nice day
[17:29] Christopher Dallas: im done talking with you really .
[17:29] Prokofy Neva: that you believe you are being "threatened" even as you behave nastily and threaten others lets me know what you're all about

So what is the conclusion?

This guy has gotten a polite statement of policy that was made on the basis of a faulty understanding of why there were two refunds from him (because another customer made two payments on the exact same sim); when the confusion was clarified it was readily explained to him; how prims work in a group was visually demonstrated and explained verbally multiple times. But all he can do is this:

xD

xD

xD

Like a monkey.

So, I check out the guy's profile, which I haven't done before now because I rarely do that with tenants unless there is a problem. Now there is a problem. It's a border-line case, because he hasn't made a threat; he's accused me falsely of making a threat, but that's stupid, and if he goes to tell 10 of his friends not to rent from me, I don't care. 

Sure enough, he is a macho man. He's actually a body-builder with a grossly exaggerated muscle-bound body. I haven't seen that in SL to such an extent. That is, you see avatars with exaggerated muscles like they work out and are buffed out; this guy has the crazily exaggerated body of say, not Jack LaLane, but an early Arnold Schwartzenegger -- but even more crazy.

He's American (no kidding) -- from the south (surprise).

There might be a Trump vote there were it not for the fact that among his various picks and groups you realize he is gay and has a gay partner.

His real-life bio says "On your knees".

Um, ok. Got it now. A wannabee, or an insecure wimp who does this body-building stuff in SL to be tough and who does BDSM to show you who's boss. That doesn't work on me, and likely it doesn't work for him in RL, either.  His name is blanked out because he hasn't made a threat (I will publish people who threaten me with any kind of harm and promise to destroy my business). If it turns out I then get threats later, that will be reversed.

But he has provided an object lesson in the type of belligerent, suspicious and not very bright type who constantly causes havoc in communications in SL. To be sure, this was compounded by my error and misunderstanding based on the fact that I mistook him for another tenant on the same sim who also rented two lots. But I readily corrected my error. He belatedly acknowledged his, but not really, and continued that swaggering gloating, belligerent xD behaviour we all know so well in SL. And here we all are.

 

Rental Dementia: You Were Never New to Second Life and Need Help?

So this tenant comes and rents the waterfront, and puts up a house boat that is really too large for the lot -- it could fit, but she doesn't bother to fit it straight, she puts it cross-wise spanning three lots -- her own, the commons, and neighbours on two sides. 

I first noticed that there was furniture all over the place in the air. Well, that happens, SL acts up, or people are new at putting out furniture, or whatever, I return it, not even with a comment. Why bother? 

Then I notice the skewed boat, and I think I should just return that as well since soon, other tenants will start complaining. But instead, I send an IM explaining how to turn on property lines and keep within the lines. I send *another* IM, which I see is wiped out, possibly because installing Firestorm, in order to put some 1024 textures into a homestead (SL only takes 512), evidently wipes out chat notecards on your hard drive, just like SL does. I periodically save the chat for that reason.

So a week goes by, this person does not move their boat, likely they'll claim that "messages cap," but honestly, I'm done. These are cheap rentals, it is a virtual world, put your boat out right. I return it -- this gets your attention finally. So I return it, I explain once again that she needs to colour inside the lines, and sure enough she begins screaming and raging and sending me TPs and going on and on - because it's apparently a language and situation misunderstanding. She thinks I am evicting her even though she just paid for another week.

But since her rental box remains paid, and she is still in the group, obviously she's not evicted. I keep trying to explain about the boat and the lines -- it just never penetrates. First I try Portugese, as many tenants who speak Portuguese have this issue, but then it turns out it's Spanish, and they also have this issue. It gets tiresome. I've developed a theory about people from big countries -- and that would be Texas, Brazil, Australia, etc. having trouble staying within small lots and keeping to prim limits whereas people from the UK, Japan, Italy, don't seem to have this problem. Except the theory is more often disproved in the breech, and I dunno, it tends to be mainly Brazilian and Spanish who do this, often pleading language barriers and force-porting you to talk to them because Google appliance long since ceased working inworld and the only translators they have need you to be in room chat with them. I refuse force ports and I demand that people use Google translate just like I use Google translate, you know? I'm a translator by profession. Google translate can be very terrible (Yandex.ru is so much better for Russian, for example, and there are other sites that are good for the Romance languages), but for a few sentences, it's more or less comprehensible. It means tabbing down your SL, going to Google Translate, and pasting it in. Not rocket science. So don't be lazy, if I can do it, you can do it. So here's the kind of insanity that ensures:

First, the profile:

Biography

Nací en SL el 17 de Noviembre del 2011

El alma es la misma en SL Y RL ,al menos en mi caso :) 
«╬♥ɦɑGѳ ʆѳ QUɛ ɱɛ ɦɑCɛ ԲɛʆIZ, 
ɛรTѳY Cѳɳ QUIɛɳ ɱɛ ɦɑCɛ รѳɳʀɛIʀ♥╬« 
ஐRIø ŧαηŧø Cøмø RєsρIRøஐ 
«╬♥ Y ɑɱѳ TɑɳTѳ Cѳɱѳ ѵIѵѳ..=)♥╬«

So note the 2011 birth date but actually on the profile the system puts the birth at April 19, 2013. So either she has come back after a long time (doesn't seem so given the profile with the feed going back for months). Did she buy the account from someb0dy else? Again, doesn't seem so. But anyway, here's the insanity:

[2020/05/02 09:31] Prokofy Neva: Hi, welcome to Ravenglass Rentals! I added you to resident powers in the group. Switch to the title "resident" on the group menu to access ban, media, set landing, change parcel etc
[2020/05/02 09:31] Prokofy Neva: This will require relogging
[2020/05/02 09:32] Second Life: Inventory item 'Ravenglass Rentals Quickstart' offered
[2020/05/02 09:33] Second Life: Inventory item 'News from Ravenglass Rentals April 27, 2020' offered
[2020/05/02 09:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): Can i put my music?
[2020/05/02 09:35] Prokofy Neva: yes after you switch the group tag to resident
[2020/05/02 09:36] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): how can i do it
[2020/05/02 09:36] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): excuse me i dont know about
[2020/05/02 09:36] Second Life: Inventory item 'NEW How to Change Group Title' offered
[2020/05/02 09:46] Prokofy Neva: go on the first page of the group menu and half way down see "title" and toggle it to "resident" -- but first relog
[2020/05/04 20:20] Prokofy Neva: Hi, can you straighten out your house so it is on the parcel you are renting and not on the commons? To see the parcel boundaries, wear the group tag and select world/show/property lines.
[2020/05/04 20:20] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2020/05/04 20:24] Prokofy Neva: Also I'm returning your furniture from other parcels, you have to stay on the parcel you are renting on the waterfrontt and use only 375 prims.
[2020/05/04 20:24] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2020/05/14 21:40] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/completename paid you L$265.
[2020/05/15 00:51] Prokofy Neva: Hi, I'm returning your house because you are not answering my messages that your house is overlapping several other parcels rented by others -- you need to straighten it out and just stay on the parcel you're renting. While wearing the group tag, turn on world/show/parcel boundaries and you can see the aqua lines, put your boat out into the water, it will fit
[2020/05/15 00:53] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): good nigth
[2020/05/15 00:53] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): you send me my things
[2020/05/15 00:54] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): and i today i give you a week more
[2020/05/15 00:54] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): a new week
[2020/05/15 00:54] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): what happened
[2020/05/15 00:54] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): please
[2020/05/15 00:54] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): why you did it
[2020/05/15 00:56] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): i paid tonigth
[2020/05/15 00:56] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): come and read
[2020/05/15 00:56] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): my box
[2020/05/15 00:57] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): time remaining:7 days,22 hours,25 minutes
[2020/05/15 00:57] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/about has offered to teleport you to their location:

"Ven conmigo a Ravenglass
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ravenglass/135/134/22”
<icon>Parcel_M_Dark</icon> - Moderate
[2020/05/15 00:57] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/about has offered to teleport you to their location:

"Ven conmigo a Ravenglass
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ravenglass/135/134/22”
<icon>Parcel_M_Dark</icon> - Moderate
[2020/05/15 00:57] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/about has offered to teleport you to their location:

"Ven conmigo a Ravenglass
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ravenglass/135/134/22”
<icon>Parcel_M_Dark</icon> - Moderate
[2020/05/15 00:59] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): Do you know the work it took me to learn to put a house and everything in its place?
[2020/05/15 01:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): at least give me an answer
or give me back the money I paid and I will leave, you should first verify that I paid you before returning my things, I hope I can get them back.
[2020/05/15 01:00] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/about has offered to teleport you to their location:

"Ven conmigo a Ravenglass
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ravenglass/135/134/22”
<icon>Parcel_M_Dark</icon> - Moderate
[2020/05/15 01:01] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/about has offered to teleport you to their location:

"come and see my box time remaining
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ravenglass/135/134/22”
<icon>Parcel_M_Dark</icon> - Moderate
[2020/05/15 01:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): heyyyy
[2020/05/15 01:03] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): im so angry with you
[2020/05/15 01:03] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): better dont come
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: get a translator, you are not understanding
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: it is not about time remaining
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: it is about HOW YOUR HOUSE IS PLACED
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: put your house on STRAIGHT on the lot
[2020/05/15 01:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): i donthave a horse
[2020/05/15 01:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no horse
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: be angry all you like but you are trespassing on other people's lots
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: HOUSE dear
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: HOUSE
[2020/05/15 01:05] Prokofy Neva: YOUR HOUSE
[2020/05/15 01:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): first time i learn to put
[2020/05/15 01:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): it
[2020/05/15 01:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): you could have told me and took everything
[2020/05/15 01:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ahora no encuentro mi lampara en mis cosas
[2020/05/15 01:06] Prokofy Neva: O barco da sua casa está atravessando 3 lotes e está invadindo o aluguel de outras pessoas. Você precisa arrumar sua casa até o fim. Não é hora, e não é sobre cavalos. Pedi duas vezes e você ignorou ou não entendeu, então tive que voltar para sua casa, no final.
[2020/05/15 01:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): I can't find my lamp on these things, plus you don't have exactly regular terrain
[2020/05/15 01:07] Prokofy Neva: I told you twice in IMs in the last week, you didn't get or didn't understand, so put it straight or refund, that's it
[2020/05/15 01:07] Prokofy Neva: I didn't take anything, it is returned to lost and found
[2020/05/15 01:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): because you allow me to pay you then
[2020/05/15 01:07] Prokofy Neva: https://translate.google.com/
[2020/05/15 01:08] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): please give me back my money and I'll go
[2020/05/15 01:08] Prokofy Neva: um, I don't do anything, if you rent a parcel, you have to stay on that parcel only, not go sideways across 3 parcels and annoy other people
[2020/05/15 01:08] Prokofy Neva: if you can't figure out how to put your house straight click the same box you paid and select "refund"
[2020/05/15 01:08] Prokofy Neva: my God this shouldn't be so hard, use a translator, I do
[2020/05/15 01:08] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): I tried to see the shape of your terrain, but it is very irregular
[2020/05/15 01:09] Prokofy Neva: it's a square dearie pie
[2020/05/15 01:09] Prokofy Neva: turn on world/show/property boundaries and put it out into the water, thousands of other people have done so
[2020/05/15 01:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): I'm sorry if I crossed other people's lines
[2020/05/15 01:09] Prokofy Neva: you are not special
[2020/05/15 01:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): I'm new putting houses, remember that I didn't even know how to take your group
[2020/05/15 01:10] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): you should have asked me today not to pay you and take my things
[2020/05/15 01:11] Prokofy Neva: Busque en la carpeta de objetos perdidos los artículos devueltos. Es muy fácil poner tu casa directamente en el agua, es una casa de botes, Dios mío, no es difícil, pregunté varias veces y cuando me ignoras, la devuelvo porque otros están enojados, al final basta\
[2020/05/15 01:11] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): do not evict me you are a bad person please give me back my money to put my house in another place, it is fair, I do not have another house
[2020/05/15 01:11] Prokofy Neva: Por última vez, no seas perezoso, usa un traductor, si puedo hacerlo, puedes hacerlo. No tomé tus cosas. Los devolví. ¡Hola! Están en la carpeta de objetos perdidos. El fin
[2020/05/15 01:12] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): esta bien
[2020/05/15 01:12] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): debiste decirme que me echarías de aquí
[2020/05/15 01:12] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): te pagué
[2020/05/15 01:12] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): sin saber
[2020/05/15 01:12] Prokofy Neva: Y una vez más, y esta es la última vez que hablaré con usted, si no puede resolver cómo arreglar una casa, haga clic en LA MISMA CAJA QUE PAGÓ, ¡HOLA! que tiene REEMBOLSO como un botón. Se cobra una tarifa de cancelación porque se va temprano
[2020/05/15 01:12] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ahora devuelveme mi dinero no tengo otra casa más pequeña
[2020/05/15 01:12] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ok adios
[2020/05/15 01:13] Prokofy Neva: No te echan de la casa de muñecas, tu casa es devuelta porque no pudiste mantenerla en el lote que alquilaste
[2020/05/15 01:13] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no dice nada de reembolso
[2020/05/15 01:13] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): es que no sé hacerlo
[2020/05/15 01:13] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): traté pero tiene una forma irregular
[2020/05/15 01:13] Prokofy Neva: You must be blind, click on the box, it says refund, now I"m truly done with you bye
[2020/05/15 01:14] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no puedo
[2020/05/15 01:14] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no sé hacerlo
[2020/05/15 01:15] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): por favor
[2020/05/15 01:15] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): es lo ultimo que haces por mi
[2020/05/15 01:15] Prokofy Neva: You are used to being a helpless idiot but you should stop
[2020/05/15 01:15] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ayudame
[2020/05/15 01:15] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no sé hacerlo
[2020/05/15 01:15] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): solo dice pagar
[2020/05/15 01:15] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no reembolso
[2020/05/15 01:15] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): si doy clic
[2020/05/15 01:16] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): porque eres malo?
[2020/05/15 01:16] Prokofy Neva: what is irregular about that square?

 

This is where I go to the lot, put out a prim and size it to the lot -- there is nothing irregular about it. It has one section at the very tip where about 16m is gone from the corner in the water but that shouldn't matter.

[2020/05/15 01:16] Prokofy Neva: you're just being lazy and not turning on the property lines
[2020/05/15 01:16] Prokofy Neva: it is a perfect square
[2020/05/15 01:16] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): rectangular

Oh, smart one, after all. Yes it's not "square" but "rectangular" technically but...not irregular, you know? I mean, not some jagged thing or a triangle LOL.

So you might want to get out Google Translate yourself for the rest here:

[2020/05/15 01:16] Prokofy Neva: like your house boat is rectangular
[2020/05/15 01:16] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): irregular here
[2020/05/15 01:16] Prokofy Neva: so if you are not smart enought to figure out a rectangular house boat on a rectangle, I can't help you
[2020/05/15 01:17] Prokofy Neva: bye
[2020/05/15 01:17] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): por favor ayudame
[2020/05/15 01:17] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no fuiste nuevo en second life alguna vez
[2020/05/15 01:17] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y necesitaste ayuda?

That last for those too lazy to go to Google translate: "You were never new to Second Life and needed help?"

But...she's not new to SL. So...hmmm...

[2020/05/15 01:18] Prokofy Neva: HAGA CLIC EN LA MISMA CAJA QUE PAGÓ Y ENCUENTRA EL REEMBOLSO, ES UNA OPCIÓN, MIRE DE NUEVO Y NO SEA ESTÚPIDO
[2020/05/15 01:29] Second Life: Inventory item 'What do you call this' offered
[2020/05/15 01:30] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/about has given you this texture:
secondlife:///app/inventory/18c5b5f5-41f3-af1d-c3bd-2c6fb4084c6a/select?name=DSC_1082

Here she shows me a picture of how she is seeing the rental box supposedly:

[2020/05/15 01:30] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): SEE THE PIC PLEASE
[2020/05/15 01:30] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y no me insultes
[2020/05/15 01:30] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no dice reembolso omg
[2020/05/15 01:30] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): T.T
[2020/05/15 01:32] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): SI VES LA FOTO TE DAS CUENTA QUE NO TENGO ESA OPCIÓN
[2020/05/15 01:33] Prokofy Neva: ummmmm what do you think "cancelar" means
[2020/05/15 01:33] Prokofy Neva: lol
[2020/05/15 01:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): si das clic en cancelar
[2020/05/15 01:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): se cierra
[2020/05/15 01:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y quiere decir que no quiero pagar
[2020/05/15 01:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): cancelar
[2020/05/15 01:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no es otra cosa
[2020/05/15 01:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): es para cancelar la operación
[2020/05/15 01:33] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y no pagarte
[2020/05/15 01:34] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): porqué no lo cancelé antes
[2020/05/15 01:34] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): omg

Here she seems to indicate that "cancel" just means cancel whatever operation you started. Except...the menu in the original English doesn't have such a "cancel". Apparently she never clicked on it to actually see what happened -- people are learnedly helpless in that way.

Possibly there really is a problem with how translated viewers render things but I have to wonder. BTW this looks like the blue of Firestorm and not the SL viewer but stay tuned...

[2020/05/15 01:34] Prokofy Neva: it's not my fault if your viewer doesn't translate things clearly, go and complain to Firestorm not me
[2020/05/15 01:34] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no abre otras ventanas
[2020/05/15 01:35] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): de verdad eres poco amable,solo devuelveme el dinero no puedo instalar otro visor
[2020/05/15 01:35] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): es lo justo
[2020/05/15 01:35] Prokofy Neva: ask Firestorm, not me, or download the regular viewer and then you'll see it
[2020/05/15 01:36] Prokofy Neva: please explain why zillions of other people with other language viewers including Spanish are able to refund all the time
[2020/05/15 01:36] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): No te quedes con mi dinero,yo no tengo dinero en sl para poner ahora mi casa en otro lugar ,por favor
[2020/05/15 01:37] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no deseo molestar a nadie
[2020/05/15 01:37] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): para eso es SL
[2020/05/15 01:37] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): PARA ESTAR TRANQUILO
[2020/05/15 01:37] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): Y SI MOLESTÉ A LAGUIEN NO FUE MI INTENCIÓN
[2020/05/15 01:37] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): SOLO DEBISTE DECIRME
[2020/05/15 01:37] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y me iba tranquila
[2020/05/15 01:37] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): sin pagarte claro
[2020/05/15 01:38] Prokofy Neva: First, I need an apology for all the screaming and false statements you have made when all I have done is ask you to put your house straight
[2020/05/15 01:38] Prokofy Neva: Twice I sent you messages to move your house -- you ignored them
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ya te dije que no quise molestar a nedie
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): nadie
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): que lo hice sin querer
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): porque no sé poner casas
[2020/05/15 01:39] Prokofy Neva: Here is a copy:
[2020/05/15 01:39] Prokofy Neva: Hi, can you straighten out your house so it is on the parcel you are renting and not on the commons? To see the parcel boundaries, wear the group tag and select world/show/property lines.
[2020/05/04 20:20] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[2020/05/04 20:24] Prokofy Neva: Also I'm returning your furniture from other parcels, you have to stay on the parcel you are renting on the waterfrontt and use only 375 prims.
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): soy una ignirante de eso
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ignorante de eso
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pero ya te había pagado
[2020/05/15 01:39] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): a esa hora
[2020/05/15 01:40] Prokofy Neva: your furniture was all over the sim, in the sky, etc. That happens with newbies, I understand, I returned it, but I asked you twice to move your house, it's not that hard, learn how to do it
[2020/05/15 01:40] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): porque no me mandaste tp
[2020/05/15 01:40] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y yo sacaba mi casa
[2020/05/15 01:40] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): disculpame
[2020/05/15 01:40] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): por favor si no lo vi
[2020/05/15 01:40] Prokofy Neva: it is not about payment, it's about straightening your house
[2020/05/15 01:40] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pero tú tampoco fuiste claro
[2020/05/15 01:40] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): siendo yo una ignrante aquí
[2020/05/15 01:40] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ignorante
[2020/05/15 01:41] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): debiste de tenerme paciencia y echarme con modales
[2020/05/15 01:41] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no desalojarme
[2020/05/15 01:41] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): por favor debo buscar otro lugar donde no me insulten
[2020/05/15 01:41] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): devuelveme mi dinero
[2020/05/15 01:41] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y no te molestaré más
[2020/05/15 01:42] Prokofy Neva: I told you twice, you ignored me, the only way to get people to listen is to return their house, it's a virtual world, not a big idea, you get it, you put it out right next time
[2020/05/15 01:42] Prokofy Neva: if you rage and scream and make false accusations, I don't respond
[2020/05/15 01:42] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): omg
[2020/05/15 01:42] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no te hice falsas acusaciones
[2020/05/15 01:42] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no te pasa que estas conectado
[2020/05/15 01:42] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): sl
[2020/05/15 01:42] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y tambien trabajas real life
[2020/05/15 01:43] Prokofy Neva: what kind of viewer do you have
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): sl
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): SL
[2020/05/15 01:43] Prokofy Neva: then how is it possible that it can't show the menu with refund?
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): EL UNICO QUE ADMITE MI LAPTOP
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no lo sé
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ya te lo mostré
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no miento
[2020/05/15 01:43] Prokofy Neva: left-click on the box
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y tampoco soy estúpida
[2020/05/15 01:43] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): como me dijiste
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): same
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): sigue igual
[2020/05/15 01:44] Prokofy Neva: I'm going to go download the Spanish language SL viewer now and see what it says
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): quieres que llore?
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): omg
[2020/05/15 01:44] Prokofy Neva: because it looks to me like you have Firestorm not the SL viewer
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): i have sl
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): el que puedo poner
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no sé otro
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): gracias
[2020/05/15 01:44] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): comprobarás que no miento
[2020/05/15 01:45] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y lloraré de alegría
[2020/05/15 01:45] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): nunca me desalojaron en real life
[2020/05/15 01:45] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y se siente horrible
[2020/05/15 01:45] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): aquí
[2020/05/15 01:45] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): gracias por el aprendizaje
[2020/05/15 01:45] Prokofy Neva: You're not evicted dearie pie
[2020/05/15 01:46] Prokofy Neva: your house is returned because it's spread across three lots
[2020/05/15 01:46] Prokofy Neva: I will return on the Spanish viewer and look
[2020/05/15 01:49] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): hey vas a ayudarme ya viste en el visor?
[2020/05/15 01:50] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): dime
[2020/05/15 01:51] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): comprobaste que te dije la verdad y no soy estúpida por favor
[2020/05/15 01:59] Second Life: Inventory item 'Spanish Viewer' offered

So, out of curiosity, I go download the viewer so that I can put the "Spanish" option when it lets you change the language (you can't do that when it's already working). And sure enough, it's exactly the same -- and the picture does not look like what she is showing - when I test it on another rental box near my house:

[2020/05/15 01:59] Prokofy Neva: it's exactly the same on the Spanish viewer
[2020/05/15 02:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pero debes darle clic
[2020/05/15 02:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): a una caja
[2020/05/15 02:00] Prokofy Neva: It's exactly the same on Firestorm

I then also logged on to Firestorm just to see if somehow it does look different even in the English -- you see how it's blue, not brown, but it still has REFUND:

[2020/05/15 02:00] Prokofy Neva: you click on it, you get the menu
[2020/05/15 02:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): para comprobar que es cierto
[2020/05/15 02:00] Second Life: Inventory item '2020-05-15 (2)' offered
[2020/05/15 02:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): :(
[2020/05/15 02:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no lo entiendes no se ve eso
[2020/05/15 02:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): en mi pantalla
[2020/05/15 02:00] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): para nada
[2020/05/15 02:01] Prokofy Neva: well then it's not the SL viewer
[2020/05/15 02:01] Prokofy Neva: and not Firestorm
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): tengo visor sl
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): de la mano verde
[2020/05/15 02:01] Prokofy Neva: I just downloaded the Spanish language viewer, and it is exactly the same
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no
[2020/05/15 02:01] Prokofy Neva: so call a friend who has the same viewer as you and have them try it
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no voy a discutir
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): de verdad me haces sentir mal
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): me insutas
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no me crees
[2020/05/15 02:01] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y solo renté tu lugar
[2020/05/15 02:02] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pensando que eres una persona amable
[2020/05/15 02:02] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y que era un hermoso lugar
[2020/05/15 02:02] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no quise molestar a nadie
[2020/05/15 02:02] Prokofy Neva: well that's ridiculous, there's something about it you're not understanding, or you don't have a real SL viewer, but regardless, I need an apology for your false statements, then I can give you a refund, but it's stupid, everybody gets a refund, no matter what viewer
[2020/05/15 02:03] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pero ya me disculpé
[2020/05/15 02:03] Second Life: secondlife:///app/agent/133b8361-ce4c-4168-9e54-d51d2de044b6/about has given you this texture:
secondlife:///app/inventory/09a24f94-2167-c24f-7610-da9d6f76384b/select?name=2020-05-15%20%282%29
[2020/05/15 02:03] Prokofy Neva: I am a kind person and it is a beautiful place but you are raging and being crazy and if we're going to play macho culture here as you seem to want to play, I need an apology

Normally I wouldn't bother with all this. But I think it's instructive to give people back exactly the cultural methods they are using on you so that they get a taste of their own medicine. The cultural methods are: exaggeration, rage, repetition, deliberate refusal not to comprehend what is said even at the moment, more rage, etc. etc. Drama. Striking a tragic pose. I mean, your house was returned because it went on other tenants' land and they will be annoyed when they log on and see it encroaching. So it's returned, since 2 messages about this didn't do the trick.  That's all. It's not an insult, it's not mean, it's not rude, it's just your house is returned because it's taking up 3 spaces -- plus the commons -- and you need to learn how to colour inside the lines LOL.

[2020/05/15 02:03] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y tú también me debes una disculpa
[2020/05/15 02:03] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): por insultarme
[2020/05/15 02:03] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): yo nunca te insulté
[2020/05/15 02:04] Prokofy Neva: all I have done is follow the rules by returning a house taking up 3 lots, and returning furniture scattered all over the sim, you are not evicted, you are not removed from the group, you just got your house returned because you refused to pay attention to messages sent to you twice
[2020/05/15 02:04] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): lee cómo me trataste tú
[2020/05/15 02:04] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y eso que soy mujer
[2020/05/15 02:04] Prokofy Neva: if you go on and on about "insulting" instead of apologizing, you will not get a refund
[2020/05/15 02:04] Prokofy Neva: it's that simple

Again, while some are going to find this cruel and unreasonable, I would invite you to consider that it is merely mirroring the cruel, unreasonable -- and crazy -- dialogue from this creature up to now. The striking of the tragic pose; the assumption of ill will; the refusal to comprehend when explained over and over -- it's a type of person and type of culture and I think it's useful to counter it when it occurs. I don't always have time for this, but I decided -- enough.

[2020/05/15 02:04] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ya te dije que me disculpes
[2020/05/15 02:04] Prokofy Neva: I'm really tried of providing cheap rentals to people and then putting up with the enormous amount of bullshit that I put up with here
[2020/05/15 02:04] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): cómo deseas que te pida disculpas
[2020/05/15 02:04] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no ´se
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): lo sé
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): eres amable
[2020/05/15 02:05] Prokofy Neva: the picture shows "refund time" on it, my God, click on that button
[2020/05/15 02:05] Prokofy Neva: this is insanity
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pero no sé porque me odias
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no sale nada
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ya no discutas
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): me iré
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): sin mi dinero
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no puedo contigo
[2020/05/15 02:05] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): eres intolerante
[2020/05/15 02:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y haces algo injusto
[2020/05/15 02:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no soy mala persona
[2020/05/15 02:06] Prokofy Neva: Instead of raging and carrying on with craziness and ddrama, you just have to say "I'm sorry, I didn't understand, could I get a refund" basta
[2020/05/15 02:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ya me disculp
[2020/05/15 02:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): te pedíi disculpas
[2020/05/15 02:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y ya me voy
[2020/05/15 02:06] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): que fea experiencia en sl
[2020/05/15 02:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): ya te dije eso
[2020/05/15 02:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pero en español
[2020/05/15 02:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): como tres veces
[2020/05/15 02:07] Prokofy Neva: OK I'm glad you apologized
[2020/05/15 02:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): tú dijiste que escriba en español
[2020/05/15 02:07] Prokofy Neva: you have not had ugly experience, but a learning experience
[2020/05/15 02:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no en ingles
[2020/05/15 02:07] Prokofy Neva: you have to look at the borders and place your house inside them
[2020/05/15 02:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no sabía ver los bordes
[2020/05/15 02:07] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): lo siento
[2020/05/15 02:08] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): intenté que esté en el agua
[2020/05/15 02:08] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): para no afectar a nadie
[2020/05/15 02:08] Prokofy Neva: I sent you the instructions on May 4
[2020/05/15 02:08] Prokofy Neva: turn on world/show/property borders
[2020/05/15 02:08] Prokofy Neva: I've said this multiple times and you refuse to read it and comprehend it
[2020/05/15 02:08] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): lo siento no lo leí
[2020/05/15 02:08] Prokofy Neva: use a translator if someone sends a message you can't read
[2020/05/15 02:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): no me negue
[2020/05/15 02:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): solo lo olvidé
[2020/05/15 02:09] Prokofy Neva: it's not about me
[2020/05/15 02:09] Prokofy Neva: it's about any rentals you are in, you need to learn how to see borders
[2020/05/15 02:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): si gracias
[2020/05/15 02:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): cómo
[2020/05/15 02:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): yo apunté y salieron unas líneas amarillas
[2020/05/15 02:09] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): y traté de meterla allí
[2020/05/15 02:10] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): pero había partes deformes
[2020/05/15 02:11] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): gracias
[2020/05/15 02:11] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): por la mala experiencia
[2020/05/15 02:11] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): adios
[2020/05/15 02:11] ღYєssнiaღ (yessikangel): yome fui no me botaste
[2020/05/15 02:13] Prokofy Neva: Nací en SL el 17 de Noviembre del 2011
[2020/05/15 02:13] Prokofy Neva: April 19, 2013
[2020/05/15 02:13] Prokofy Neva: um, not exactly a newbie dearie

When I finally focused on this person's dates, I had to wonder how -- in 9 long years (2011) or 6 long years (2013) she never put down a house or paid a rental box and got a refund. There's something very odd about this. It's either a bold lie, or it's an account that has been sold (which goes against the TOS as far as I know). Yet she spoke of a lamp she got long ago that was lost -- so it's not a purchased account, apparently. She claimed she was just learning to put out a house and furniture, but that seems impossible that she never did either of these things in 9 years or 6 years (if this is a newer account she came back on).  She keeps speaking Spanish instead of using Google to translate -- and seemingly sees the word "HOUSE" as "HORSE" but really? Yet she knows the word "rectangular"? Something doesn't add up here...So it's just hard to know what to think -- but often I find the more the bluster and drama and crazy, the more actually guilty the person is, of lying.

So then comes this:

[02:29] yessikangel: puedes revisar si se quedó por el terreno mi lampara por favor la tengo hace 8 años y no está en objetos perdidos ya saqué todo en un sandbox,si puedes te lo agradeceré es importante para mí Lamp

Translation:

you can check if my lamp stayed on the ground please I have it 8 years ago and it is not in lost objects I already took everything out in a sandbox, if you can I will thank you it is important for me Lamp

[02:32] yessikangel: sé que no te gusta el drama aquí pero me regaló esal+ampara mi madre SL y ella ya murió real life,tal vez me ayudes si puedes encontrarla.gracias.

Google translate:

 I know you don't like the drama here but she gave me esal + for my mother SL and she has already died real life, maybe you can help me if you can find her. Thank you.

[02:49] Prokofy Neva: There is no way I can take your objects. All of your objects on your parcel rented have been returned to lost & found. Try clearing cache and re-logging. Take everything out as it returns in batches and it could be named one thing but contain 10 things. If you still can't find it file a ticket with Linden Lab with the precise name of the object.
[02:56] yessikangel: ok muchas gracias.

So now you see this tragic story has become even more tragic -- a precious lamp from a mother in SL who died in real life has been lost because cruel Prokofy returned a house that was straddling multiple parcels.

I dare say most landlords would have returned everything from the sim at the first sight of a chair in the air, and likely evicted and banned the person. I at least sent messages, and 10 days passed and when finally I saw it wasn't cured, I took action. 

I have lost many precious things in SL - many - and so have others, inventory is always unstable and things are lost all the time. I had a tenant recently actually get the Lindens to reimburse her for something that was lost that she was able to identify and file a ticket about quickly. Something of sentimental value can't be replaced, of course.

So everything is terrible, and the world is sad, but let me tell you about something so far worse that I hope you will forget everything about me or this girl.

UPDATE

[11:16] yessikangel: (Saved Fri May 15 04:56:10 2020)hi
[11:16] yessikangel: (Saved Fri May 15 04:57:23 2020)Espero puedas ser justo,me avisas si te vas a disculpar por haberme llamado estúpida ,yo sí me disculpé porque creí que tú me echaste sin avisarme.
[11:20] Prokofy Neva: I never apologize for not doing anything wrong. Did you find your lamp?
[11:20] yessikangel: muacks
[11:20] yessikangel: .9
[11:20] yessikangel: YES
[11:20] yessikangel: I DID
[11:20] yessikangel: :)
[11:20] yessikangel: and excuse me again
[11:20] yessikangel: thank you
[11:22] Prokofy Neva: Well that's good, be happy you didn't lose your mother or baby like these women did https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-attacks-hospital-insight/maternity-ward-massacre-shakes-afghanistan-and-its-peace-process-idUSKBN22P2F5 and that you are not sick or dead of COVID but a sex worker in a virtual world where you can look beautiful and pretend you are nicer than you are. Bye!
[11:22] yessikangel: wait
[11:22] yessikangel: o.o
[11:23] yessikangel: i need traslate it
[11:23] yessikangel: oh
[11:27] yessikangel: I am not what you think I just like the Arab culture, I am a real life shy dance teacher and here I enjoy music and dance as well as visiting beautiful places, now I work from home with my little students and I am a beautiful person IN REAL LIFE not as beautiful as my avatar but I love myself as I am and I thank you for the lesson, I thought that here in sl everyone was happy and kind and good but I already learned take care of yourself too.

Well, I'm glad she found the lamp. I know how that can be, losing something online where you think it should last longer.

See, you can misjudge a person for being in the sex industry when they aren't, they just like Arabic culture.

I didn't study this profile carefully, but when I saw "NO CAM" and "NO SKYPE" and "No rl talking" and "RP LIMITS" that signalled to me a person who does sex work but is telling you they don't do it on camera in RL, just inworld. Otherwise, they wouldn't put this. "RP Limits" also suggests that they are into "scenes". It does say "no sex, no bullshit," however even if not in capital letters so I should have assumed that this wasn't just a Weekend Gorean but just a shy Arabic dance teacher. Live and learn!

I don't care at all if someone does sex work in SL. Some of my best tenants are sex workers I imagine but I don't look too closely, it's not my business what people do in my rentals unless they violate either my rules or the TOS. Plenty of people make an income with this world's second oldest profession (acting, a close cousin, being the world's actual oldest). Some people find it repulsive but  I gather it must be hard work, certainly harder than making breedable cats who only say what you script them to say.

NO CAM No drama, no sex, no bullshit just fun NO LIER NO RL No rl talking NO SKYPE RP LIMITS☑no copy ☑no modify ☑no transfer

Rental Dementia: "i will be letting people know how this place is run"

Most people that come to my rentals and read the rules grasp that they can't use a security orb on the ground because it is fucking annoying. They agree with this themselves -- that's why they are in my rentals on the Mainland and not on an island bunker.

Indeed they are the bane of SL existence. In a group rentals with a lot of parcels next to each other on one sim. if you let anyone have orbs, all their fellow tenants nearby are bounced around; even I am bounced off my own land by some of them. It becomes a thicket of ejection and you can't even get to your own lot.

Most people don't have this overwhelming need for security of this type. They make a skybox for their sex lives or any kind of privacy. Or they go to another rental where they can have these kind of bunkers -- usually at a greater cost. Or they even just use ban because that's really sufficient. The key is NOT TO CARE if someone comes into your virtual house if you are not there. Either put your sex furniture on "name" only or put it away -- or put it in a skybox if you are rattled by the idea that someone may give you AIDS in a virtual world by going on your bed. No one likes the idea of home invasion -- which is why there is ban. But if the thought of anyone coming near or in your house while you are away is so horrible, this isn't the rental for you. The lion's share of houses never have anyone coming into them. But on a sim with a lot of parcels, either you have people looking for rentals, or you have newbies coming from Help Island who haven't figured out the rules yet, or whatever, but I find in the overwhelming majority even of these cases, they are not repeated affairs. Most people who are predisposed to get angry and upset about invasion of virtual space do this with ONE INTRUSION. NOT DOZENS. They don't see reason and they are bothered even by a visitor script that in fact may be picking up people within 96 meters that haven't even entered your house. As I said MOST PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT THIS which is why I have many tenants. If they did, I wouldn't be in business.

But occasionally you find someone who just keeps arguing and arguing -- as if they are going to persuade me after 16 years of seeing the damage of security orbs.

For background: this fellow is on one of the cheapest rentals, on the sim Ravenglass, which is $165/225 prims or $265/325 prims, and management houses don't count. That's .73/prim. It isn't my absolute cheapest -- those are .50/prim or .66/prim in the "newbie" communities on other sims. I raised the price a year or so ago because I couldn't see the point of continuing to lose money -- which is what you do when you charge prices this low that don't cover tier, or perhaps barely cover tier but no other cost like content. More and more, I have made less and less cheap rentals -- because they are not worth it, they don't stay full anyway, you lose money, and you have more aggravation. Why bother? If you had a notion of "the good of the community," leave it at the door. Most of the time those "poor newbies" you are supposedly helping like they are Central American refugees deserving of our help in real life are in fact IT guys paid handsome salaries who are just cheap when it comes to wanting to spend online. Nowadays many people have lost their jobs and it's understood that there might be more demand for cheap rentals and more people returning to SL. Most of these types of customers are only grateful and I only have pleasant interactions with them. And why not? I lay out cheap, self-service rentals FROM WHICH YOUR CAN REFUND. Most rentals do not provide that option.

And as I've said a million times, it's always the people in the cheapest seats who complain the loudest.  This guy who was someone returning to SL after being away paid a grand total of $594 Lindens per month. That's US $2.23 a month, less than the a cost of a Starbucks or just about anything really these days. 

Ravenglass the sim is a sim that really does not have much going on. I am on every day for long hours and constantly taking care of customers and also looking at the map to see how things are doing on the sims. Some sims that have a fair number of people or are sometimes targets of griefing have a sensor that lets me know when they are "down" so I can check whether it is a rolling restart that is ordinarly on schedule or a crash. Ravenglass has about 30 little parcels with cottages or skyboxes, plus a tower with another dozen rooms. Yet there are never more than about 1-2 people on the sim at any time. If there is an event at a store that had 20 people like the other day, that's once in a blue moon. Because it's the flagship sim, I decided to have lower prices and "management prims don't count" and also put a forest with hunts in the sky. Since some people want to place their own house, and generally this is disallowed here, it's never full.

Why can't they place their own house? Well, they can, on other sims that cost more. But in a sim with smaller and cheaper rentals, I find it is better to supply the house and if they don't like it they can find something else -- remember the idea is to remain cheap and self-service, so that my time, which isn't compensated, is not wasted on things like showing people houses or carping at them to follow rules so that everybody nearby doesn't move out.

I find when people are left to place their own houses in heap rentals, this is what happens, as just did in Columbia once again: people put up orbs that aren't allowed, they are removed. So then they put big clear boxes over their lot, as if this is somehow a solution. It's not, because it's ugly and drives other people away. Or they put up ridiculous picture boards that supposedly give "privacy" but it doesn't, because anyone can easily cam through over over them -- but guess what, there is no one to care! And furthermore, "avatars can see me" is UNCHECKED so you are INVISIBLE. Yet people still reach for these cheap and ugly solutions that I guess are hardwired by evolution, from the days before DNA testing when men could not tell whose children their wives were having so they kept them under lock and key or even under veil and lockdown. 

People are terrified and angered that someone might see them having sex -- understood. But that there really aren't any people who have interest in this, as mostly the sim is empty (because people are on different time zones or don't log in every day) just doesn't sink in. That they could put up a skybox and have an orb there and ensure their privacy is a ready solution that many understand and do, but every once in awhile you get someone who is just excruciatingly learnedly helpless on this, and despite numerous efforts in teaching them to put a platform and a skybox up and deed an orb -- or even SUPPLYING all these things as part of the rental -- they can't focus on it. 

Whenever someone says they will harm my reputation -- because I have rules that were made clear to them, which they understood and obeyed for a time but then decided to argue about, and didn't win -- I publicize their bad behaviour.

First, annoying the whole group -- which people hate, which is why chat is not allowed in my group and the lease specifies that you have to contact managers directly. These rules are there for the good of the whole community since most people DO NOT like chat in a group unless they specifically joined it to chat in it -- and not even always then. A rental group is generally NOT the place to chat in. Yet even though I provided a Ravenglass chat/help group for years, nobody ever used it. That's because they're lazy and they want maximum attention, not the few who are willing to join and keep a group that has strangers chatting in it stupidly.

So first, the group chat -- and this time it was fortunately that it was late and most people didn't notice and therefore there were no others complaining:

[21:50] bioisback Audran: so banning people everyday that im on isnt there any security i can get for my house
[21:54] Prokofy Neva: No, you can't have security orbs at ground level because they annoy everyone around you, you can only  ave them in skyboxes at 500 meters or higher, ban should be sufficient, you can use it on your own parcel and any other parcel on the sim in our group
[21:55] bioisback Audran: well having people in my home is very annoying i would like to have some sort of security rather then logging on to find all my doors have been opened every single time i log on'
[21:55] bioisback Audran: security orbs are meant to be annoying they keep unwanted people out
[21:56] bioisback Audran: and its been everyday
[21:57] bioisback Audran: and i didnt want a skybox i wanted something ground level but i shouldnt have to deal with people being in my home every day
[21:57] Prokofy Neva: and the answer is no, you can't annoy everybody in the community 24/7 for a problem you have temporarily while you are online
[21:57] Prokofy Neva: if you can't deal with this, then this isn't the rental for you, refund is always an option
[21:57] Prokofy Neva: but what you don't get to keep doing is bothering everybody with chat in a group

Of course locking a door is one way to solve this at least to keep out the casual newbie or person landing and thinking the house is for rent as they don't see or don't understand the rental box paid nearby. To be sure, it's only a mild deterrent as most people have figured out how to sit through locked doors if they really want to get into a house.

Now, the history of chat:

[2020/04/03 16:44] Prokofy Neva: Welcome to ravenglass Rentals!
[2020/04/03 16:44] Prokofy Neva: I added you to resident powers in the group
[2020/04/03 16:44] Prokofy Neva: Switch to the title "resident on the group menu to access ban, media, set landing, change parcel etc
[2020/04/03 16:44] Prokofy Neva: this will require relogging
[2020/04/03 16:44] bio (bioisback.audran): i had a question and ty can you remove the items upstairs
[2020/04/03 16:45] bio (bioisback.audran): the chairs and the pole and that triangle thingy
[2020/04/03 16:45] bio (bioisback.audran): and should irelog now
[2020/04/03 16:46] Prokofy Neva: ok got it
[2020/04/03 16:48] Second Life: Inventory item 'Ravenglass Rentals Quickstart' offered
[2020/04/03 16:48] bio (bioisback.audran): User not online - inventory has been saved.
[2020/04/03 16:50] Second Life: Inventory item 'News from Ravenglass Rentals March 25, 2020' offered
[2020/04/03 16:50] bio (bioisback.audran): User not online - inventory has been saved.
[2020/04/03 16:50] Prokofy Neva: so you can't put any orbs on the ground level but you can in a skybox 500 m or higher
[2020/04/03 16:50] bio (bioisback.audran): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.

[2020/04/03 16:52] bio (bioisback.audran): ahh
[2020/04/03 16:52] bio (bioisback.audran): so what do we do for security
[2020/04/03 16:53] Prokofy Neva: you use ban/eject or type names in the ban list on your own parcel or any other one in the group
[2020/04/03 16:53] bio (bioisback.audran): ahh ok got ya
[2020/04/03 16:55] Prokofy Neva: no need to have a conversation, right click ban
[2020/04/03 16:55] Prokofy Neva: this sim is pretty quiet, and your parcel is out of search, so you shouldn't see visitors but eject them if you do
[2020/04/03 16:56] bio (bioisback.audran): so lets say i want to add a person here to stay with me how would i do that its been forever since ive done this lol
[2020/04/03 16:56] Prokofy Neva: well there is no such thing as "adding a person" because they just join the same open group you do to set prims and set home
[2020/04/03 16:56] Prokofy Neva: if you want them also to have ban powers, IM me so I can switch their titles in the group
[2020/04/03 16:56] bio (bioisback.audran): ahh ok

[2020/04/15 21:58] bio (bioisback.audran): dont have you on my list so i couldnt im you directly
[2020/04/15 21:58] bio (bioisback.audran): so how does the refund work
[2020/04/15 21:59] Prokofy Neva: of course you can IM anyone you want directly by looking for them in the People List in search or on the group menu
[2020/04/15 22:00] Prokofy Neva: you click on the same box you paid and select "refund"
[2020/04/15 22:00] Prokofy Neva: you're on a sim with numerous small lots in which in fact there isn't much activity every day so if you are bothered by somebody clicking on a door, lock it, or conversely just refund as cheap rentals are not for you, pay more and get yourself a bunker
[2020/04/15 22:09] bio (bioisback.audran): im not going to argue the merits of sl ive been here long enough to know every other place has security for their places.. and if someone opened the door they were in my place my privacy and that is something you do pay for in sl and honestly i really didnt think of looking at the group to click you as to "not cause issues in group chat " but realistically group chat is where people go to bounce ideas off each other ..and the fact that ive had to ban a person everyday for the amount of time ive been here is just dumb
[2020/04/15 22:10] Prokofy Neva: Then go and rent in the every other place instead of endlessly arguing with me over a cheap rental, you're not thinking of anyone else but your own momentary irritation at someone clicking on a door or coming in your house instead of solving the problem either by making a skybox or moving to another rental where you can eject and annoy people to your heart's content
[2020/04/15 22:10] bio (bioisback.audran): but you have yourself a good one and i will be letting people know how this place is run
[2020/04/15 22:10] Prokofy Neva: it's not where people go to chat in a large rentals and it states so on the lease, now go find someone else to bother
[2020/04/15 22:11] Prokofy Neva: I will let people know about you, too, big guy

 

So, attention Alwin Alcott -- and I really should do a special blog just on him. I don't "harass" or "dox" people needlessly. I publish their bad behaviour WHEN they threaten me. If this was just the usual jackass that bitched and then left and went on his way, who cares? But as soon as someone says he is going to "tell the world" about his alleged mistreatment or "how badly these rentals are run," then he gets a quick ticket to my DO NOT RENT list and my blog. It's the only recourse. This loudmouth can go around and tell any tales he likes and the background -- that not only there was a rule in the lease but one he had ALREADY indicated he understood and was informed about in person -- but he chose to bitch about it.

 

 

A Terrible KittyCat Birth in April: Part I

Melanie was born on a cold not-yet spring night in a world utterly changed by the pandemic -- born disfigured, misshapen, strange, vulnerable, yet with a royal cloak of ermine that was to define her indomitable spirit throughout her short, painful but brilliant life.


Only Grandpa Kermichil seemed to understand the gravity of the situation as he stood watch over the little one.

When he thought about the horrible new world she had been born into, and the afflictions she would suffer, he wept, his bright ball horns shaking...

It was bleak, and Prokofy was not going to be much help here. You could try to flatter him and ask him how he got so big, or where he got those big shoes, but you were lucky if he remembered to feed them before they all got to 30%...

Asking to go out for a walk -- pointless. They'd all learned that long, long ago.

Melanie's little black mom Earlene -- who was also her sister - lay sprawled after the ordeal of childbirth next to her big half-uncle and brother, Colin Powell. Yes, that was his name.

All the Chateau cats who had produced these two black kitties had fled -- only a distance cousin Raymond reminded. They had headed out for the territories -- the Menagerie.

Earlene's husband Dillin, that special child of Gram and Gramps who was the only one in the brood with the ball horns and festive fur, was nestled with his silk pillow. How like Dillin. The greatest challenge to his young life had just occurred -- and he was sleeping through it.

Dear little Melanie! With a pauper's burlap sack for a hat; with that royal robe; with God-knows-what taken out of a quilting bag in Lancaster, Pennsylvania... what as world! What a tortured life! But we will take care of you, dear...

Grandma Serihide came to take counsel and decide what must be done, as grandmas had done from time immemorial. She brought her mom, Olenochka, who had already fallen asleep, another brave reindeer tribe of cats from another era. Serihide stared into the distance.

Soon they would have to make a hard decision...She wished GiGi would wake up...

Prigs and Prats from Second Life: Coastal Waterways

I see no reason to use the word "bitch" -- or worse -- for the sort of smug bitches you find on the SL forums -- "prig" will do. It's British and not American, and already sounds more literary!

"Prat" instead of "incompetent idiot" or "dumbass" seems more literary too. Why not be more literary to describe the forums and those inworld who behave badly?

So this is my new rubric, and here are two forums regularls who are regularly a prig.

Bitsy Buccaneer at least makes nice murals and statues which I have bought for many years. I thought she made houses, even, I had seen one and even decorated one in a contest, and then got a free one -- but it turns out that house was made by someone with a similar name. 

From the forums (likely to be closed or deleted by Lindens, hence republication)

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Posted yesterday at 02:43 AM

The best thing about these sims, really, was the names. I go visit them mainly once a year. I guess because "jungle" isn't what I want so much as "northwest". 

I've been going to these docks and rez areas and beaches not even so much around Bellissaria but the other continents. One problem with them is that when you take their landmarks, you are left with a generic name that doesn't help you remember what it was.

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Posted yesterday at 03:08 AM

  On 3/30/2020 at 2:43 AM, Prokofy Neva said:

when you take their landmarks, you are left with a generic name that doesn't help you remember what it was.

Landmark names can be edited. A friend drops LMs on me when he finds somewhere he thinks I'd like and I always add a FROM GEORGE on the end so I can find it again 

 

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Posted yesterday at 03:27 AM

  On 3/30/2020 at 3:08 AM, Bitsy Buccaneer said:

Landmark names can be edited. A friend drops LMs on me when he finds somewhere he thinks I'd like and I always add a FROM GEORGE on the end so I can find it again 

I have a LOT of LMs that have changed names, most of my lms actually have different names than they did when I got them. Some of my earliest say things like "bits and danglies editing", "those blue flower things", "big bug thingy", "that one room, with the painting", "stretchy place", "really cool trees", "box", "worm place", "Weird", "bubble", "giant *****show", "Idiot room"...you know, fun stuff that you're not likely to remember when you need to 

I don't dare delete them, even though most no longer go anywhere at all, I'm a sentimental sod, sometimes. I can only tell you where some of those actually originally lead to, and a few of them actually went to the same region, just different spots, lol.  The first two went to a place I used to take people after field trips to xcite..for obvious reasons.  Big bug thingy was a giant bug..duh, but also on the sim with the first two just on the opposite end lol.  Dunno about room with the painting.  STretchy place was Dark Dharma's Haunted somethin, or somewhere along those lines, my spelling is prob. off, but there was something in the building that caused the stretch deform.  Dunno about cool trees. Box was my building box, a literal box, for about four years. Dunno on worm place. Weird was some random sim that just had all kinds of odd things on it, kinda strewn about, quite nonsensical but not always in a good way, it was like the grid just randomly tossed stuff there, it's hard to explain, lol, but I learned a lot about building from that weird place.  Bubble is that bubble ride. Giant *****show was a really messed up freebie place, lol. Idiot room I actually had a bunch of each with different numbers and lead to different problematic welcome areas (And places like welcome areas) around the grid..ie...idiots  All but two were created in 2008

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Posted yesterday at 08:08 AM

  On 3/30/2020 at 3:08 AM, Bitsy Buccaneer said:

Landmark names can be edited. A friend drops LMs on me when he finds somewhere he thinks I'd like and I always add a FROM GEORGE on the end so I can find it again 

Yeah I know. I've been in SL 16 years. Again, when you take these landmarks, they are generic and don't help you remember where they are. If you are flying around and taking landmarks, and not stopping to edit them. Now, why is this? It seems to me the Lindens could make them work better so that no one has to edit them. Yes, if you click on them, you go back to that place, but again, there is nothing to make it have a unique name like every other place in SL.

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Posted yesterday at 08:17 AM

  On 3/30/2020 at 8:08 AM, Prokofy Neva said:

Yeah I know. I've been in SL 16 years. Again, when you take these landmarks, they are generic and don't help you remember where they are. If you are flying around and taking landmarks, and not stopping to edit them. Now, why is this? It seems to me the Lindens could make them work better so that no one has to edit them. Yes, if you click on them, you go back to that place, but again, there is nothing to make it have a unique name like every other place in SL.

The LM name comes from the parcel. The owner of the parcel gives it the name.

Are you complaining about this in general or because the Lindens didn't name things to your specifications in their parcels?

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Posted yesterday at 08:31 AM

  On 3/30/2020 at 8:08 AM, Prokofy Neva said:

Yes, if you click on them, you go back to that place, but again, there is nothing to make it have a unique name like every other place in SL.

They are named after their parcel...just like every other place in SL. If you want it to be more unique than that, there still very much is something that can do this, it's called you. Stopping for a few seconds, at most, while flying to name a LM you know has the name of the parcel (because that's how LMs work) really isn't that difficult, nor time consuming. I do it all the time. I have huge groupings of LMs from specific sims, one sim in particular has at least 20 different LMs. It took me seconds, at most, to rename those LMs as I was wandering, flying, riding, walking, boating, and whatever else I was doing at the time. It's not a daunting task at all. 

I'm not understanding why this is a problem, those LMs function like every other LM in sl, regardless of who owns the parcel to which the LM leads. 

 

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Posted yesterday at 10:32 AM (edited)

  On 3/30/2020 at 8:17 AM, Bitsy Buccaneer said:

The LM name comes from the parcel. The owner of the parcel gives it the name.

Are you complaining about this in general or because the Lindens didn't name things to your specifications in their parcels?

No, it's not about naming anything to my specifications, that's silly. It's about hundreds of Linden locations having THE EXACT SAME NAME SO YOU CAN'T TELL THEM APART IN INVENTORY UNLESS YOU MANAGED TO RENAME THEM.

I think you and Tari Landar have never visited these Linden places so you can't understand what I'm talking about, but that's common.

Anyone who explores a lot in SL and enjoys the Linden places get this, but you don't because you don't.

It's a chore to have to re-name LMs especially when you deal with thousands of them constantly because you run rentals and a land preserve where they are constantly needed and updated and when you put them on servers to be issued every day. But that's not an experience you have, either, so never mind.

They don't function like every other LM.

Here's a good example. The label on the land parcel is "Coastal Waterway" -- like a zillion other Linden parcels. this one is actually an entire sim.

Here it is: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Gilpatric/148/248/22

Yes, once you pull up the map after clicking on it, you see "oh, it's that one in Gilpatric". Er, what continent was that on again? There are 5000 sims and you can't always remember. Yes, you can use the continent locator.

Here's another nice location near the beach I first posted -- this is a nice dock. But if you click on it, it makes a landmark that is called....wait for it...Coastal Waterway.

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Gilpatric/14/218/25

Once you pull up the map, you see, yeah, it's in Gilpatrick, and yeah, it's not in the same location as the beach.

But in your inventory, with thousands of other landmarks, it's joining a collection called COASTAL WATERWAY of which there are jillions.

The dock isn't on its own parcel, although it could be, which might increase its use as people can get to it precisely easier -- if it has its own landing point and -- wait for it -- distinct name.  Lindens take the time to build these things, but they sit unused often. Taking the time to parcel them and name them distinctly, even "Gilpatric Dock on Coastal Waterway" just makes it easier to find again in inventory and share around, "Here's this great Linden dock I found".

It's hard to share a thing that says "Coastal Waterway" that joins a zillion other "Coastal Waterways" in inventory.

The Lindens are really brilliant at naming, very creative. But on these areas, they just didn't take the time. And while I realize they are busy, I'm suggesting that WHEN they can find time to 1) name distinctly 2) parcel 3) create separate landings which really only takes a few seconds they will see more usage because people can identify it readily without clicking on dozens of landmarks in their inventory, all of which say the same thing.

If you think it's just a problem of these particular sims I stumbled across, no, it's not.

Here's another one.

And another one

And another one

And another one

All of them, all over the grid -- and I could give you scads more -- all have the label COASTAL WATERWAY in my inventory. If you're having trouble grasping that they all have the same name because when you click on the forums, they show a SLURL with numbers and a sim name, go there, make yourself a landmark, and see how it looks in your inventory which is...wait for it...COASTAL WATERWAY.

Yeah, some of them I re-labelled on the fly because that's easy enough to do and I'm not stupid. But now I have an LM that says "Skradski". What is Skradski again? Skradski actually isn't a "coastal waterway" per se, and not a beach and not a dock. It's a little island with a castle on it which is pretty cool. 

So while I could name it "Pretty cool little Linden island with castle on it," quite frankly, so could the Moles as they build them. They will get this, even if you won't, so that's why once again, on the forums, I walk around the robots.

Edited yesterday at 10:38 AM by Prokofy Neva

 

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  On 3/30/2020 at 10:32 AM, Prokofy Neva said:

I think you and Tari Landar have never visited these Linden places so you can't understand what I'm talking about, but that's common.

Anyone who explores a lot in SL and enjoys the Linden places get this, but you don't because you don't.

It's a chore to have to re-name LMs especially when you deal with thousands of them constantly because you run rentals and a land preserve where they are constantly needed and updated and when you put them on servers to be issued every day. But that's not an experience you have, either, so never mind.

Good morning Prok, did you have a pleasant time slating and slandering us for taking part in the conversation? I hope you did 

Anyway, I don't run rentals or a land preserve or a server. You're right on that. But I do sometimes make things to travel about on and include a notecard with some of my favourite scenic Linden locations and nearby rez areas (always Linden because they're stable and reliable). I have more annotated LMs for good places to take snaps to make the vendor images from. It's never been a big deal to me to amend an LM after I take it. It's just part of taking an LM 🤷‍♀️. I notice if it's sufficient or if more is needed and if more is needed, I add something. Do it with shops, places I come across on my travels, friends' places, wherever I think I might want to go back to.

When we were new, friends and I would explore endlessly. We'd spend days doing it and getting lost was part of the fun. We weren't in the mindset to document it all with countless LMs though, only enough to get us back to certain places and general areas. That we don't have your habits doesn't mean we don't enjoy Linden places. Why do you assume we don't simply because we don't share your particular habits?

May I be allowed to wonder how many are similar to me, my friends, Tari and how many might be like you? I suspect there's very few who process and update LMs in their thousands on a regular basis, and even fewer who do it without bots.

Anyway, wishing you a lovely day. All the best  

 
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  On 3/30/2020 at 10:32 AM, Prokofy Neva said:

No, it's not about naming anything to my specifications, that's silly. It's about hundreds of Linden locations having THE EXACT SAME NAME SO YOU CAN'T TELL THEM APART IN INVENTORY UNLESS YOU MANAGED TO RENAME THEM..........

I'd been collecting landmarks for interesting places for years before I realized I should rename them to avoid duplication and confusion - now I (try to) start with the region name, some description, then the 'official' landmark' name.

Same goes for naming things as you build - keeps you from having an inventory full of "Object"s.

I'm glad the jungle regions are back. I have fond memories of doing the first quests. I don't need a lot of high-definition scenary to be happy - sometimes you have to use your imagination* - and the Pioneer Moles had wonderful creativity, imagination, and great senses of humor**

*why I still play Minecraft sometimes

**not that the current Moles aren't creative, imaginative, and funny***, but they have more pixels to play with.

***which reminds me about the original topic - I swear I saw a region on the map last week named "We Are All Doomed", but now I can't find it.

 
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Good morning Prok, did you have a pleasant time slating and slandering us for taking part in the conversation? I hope you did 

Anyway, I don't run rentals or a land preserve or a server. You're right on that. But I do sometimes make things to travel about on and include a notecard with some of my favourite scenic Linden locations and nearby rez areas (always Linden because they're stable and reliable). I have more annotated LMs for good places to take snaps to make the vendor images from. It's never been a big deal to me to amend an LM after I take it. It's just part of taking an LM 🤷‍♀️. I notice if it's sufficient or if more is needed and if more is needed, I add something. Do it with shops, places I come across on my travels, friends' places, wherever I think I might want to go back to.

When we were new, friends and I would explore endlessly. We'd spend days doing it and getting lost was part of the fun. We weren't in the mindset to document it all with countless LMs though, only enough to get us back to certain places and general areas. That we don't have your habits doesn't mean we don't enjoy Linden places. Why do you assume we don't simply because we don't share your particular habits?

May I be allowed to wonder how many are similar to me, my friends, Tari and how many might be like you? I suspect there's very few who process and update LMs in their thousands on a regular basis, and even fewer who do it without bots.

Anyway, wishing you a lovely day. All the best  

I stand by everything I've written here because it's true. And I'll repaste what I said because it's true, again:

I think you and Tari Landar have never visited these Linden places so you can't understand what I'm talking about, but that's common.

Anyone who explores a lot in SL and enjoys the Linden places get this, but you don't because you don't.

1. I surmised -- "I think" that you must NOT have have visited these places. Because you denied that this was an issue -- and still do. And I have to conclude that no, you still have not visited the Coastal Waterway issues because you are still huffing and puffing.

2. Those who explore the *Linden* places as distinct from any other place of which there are zillions knows this is a frustration especially when sharing something. I encountered this in my Mainland Appreciation Group with me and others having a bunch of "Coastal Waterways" and not knowing what they hooked up to FROM INVENTORY until we tested on the map - one more chore.

3. I'll say it again: you must not go to Linden docks which are nothing special with no markings, and get COASTAL WATERWAY and get frustrated. I have no doubt that your inventory does not contain COASTAL WATERWAY now -- and you'd admit that if you were writing in good faith here -- and it's not because you went and re-named them on the fly.

Nothing you've said or Tari said proves that you go to these places because if you did, you'd at least get the problem -- and you don't.

When people response to a statement of fact with "You are slandering me," I can often conclude that they understood something is true, but can't admit it.

Re: "But I do sometimes make things to travel about on and include a notecard with some of my favourite scenic Linden locations and nearby rez areas (always Linden because they're stable and reliable

No doubt these aren't COASTAL WATERWAY as you would have had this problem so many times you would have joined me in asking the Lindens to fix this. Old Linden places do have labels. These new ones do NOT. If you have these in a giver at your store, great, but they may not have Coastal -- and I bet you do NOT have them. Because if you DID, by now, customers would be saying , "Hey, these things are all named the same."

Another thing I can understand about it is that instead of serving the public, serving people and preventing their confusion, it's more important to you to rage about being "slandered". (By the way, "libel" is the correct legal term for *written* speech).

These Linden areas are all named the same which means landmarking them is pointless and cuts down on their visits and sharing. 

It's hard to keep re-naming lots of landmarks as you fly around and it's easier for the Lindens to give unique names to parcels they make as they parcel them. After all, they want use of their free places.

It's not a big deal for anybody to rename a landmark BUT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO. Many people landmarking these nice places DO NOT REALIZE THEY ARE ALL NAMED EXACTLY THE SAME and will have trouble sorting them and returning them and - yes, renaming them.

I guess you don't have that many customers so you don't think first of what is a problem for YOUR CUSTOMERS, then a problem for you as the manager of a small boutique business. I do.

If you log in and travel, that's great, but since so many of the mainly anonymous and unaccountable people on these forums do NOT, and make avatars with zero activity to post on the forums, it's a safe assumption.

Most people who are ordinary and not on the forums and not special and not in with the Moles find it difficult to do this. Some don't even know you *can* do this. Some can't make landmarks. You are not thinking of this because you don't deal with the masses; you deal with a small sub-sett of the SL population who buy old mosaics for their walls. bTW that includes me, who has a) bought your products for years b) won a design contest in your house, giving you enormous amounts of publicity.

It's easier to keep sniping and raging and imagining that things you do are the norm though, isn't it?

Well, don't. 

PPS I stopped by your store. I didn't see any landmark givers of interesting places to explore, but that's ok, it's not required, people can just be hobbyists and just collect places and sometimes share them. Let's recall how you greeted my point about this problem:

Landmark names can be edited. A friend drops LMs on me when he finds somewhere he thinks I'd like and I always add a FROM GEORGE on the end so I can find it again 

The LM name comes from the parcel. The owner of the parcel gives it the name.

Are you complaining about this in general or because the Lindens didn't name things to your specifications in their parcels?

So before you rant and rage some more about "slander," consider that your nasty, vicious, stupid, vitriolic comments to me about things that we both know I know and are obvious -- and aren't the point -- just to be "clever" -- they get a pushback from me. You then focus on that pushback and not your behaviour as if you are flying around in a white robe like one of your art pieces.

PPPS I considered buying the Pompei Bouillabase which is nice but I knew you had copied it from the Internet -- it's in the public domain after all -- and I could pay $10 and upload it -- after lightening it in Paint -- rather than $225. I do buy public domain from people even for that much. It's a skill to get it framed and lighted properly and looking good in SL and I value that. But sometimes my own $10 upload will do.

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  2 hours ago, Rufferta said:

I'd been collecting landmarks for interesting places for years before I realized I should rename them to avoid duplication and confusion - now I (try to) start with the region name, some description, then the 'official' landmark' name.

Same goes for naming things as you build - keeps you from having an inventory full of "Object"s.

I'm glad the jungle regions are back. I have fond memories of doing the first quests. I don't need a lot of high-definition scenary to be happy - sometimes you have to use your imagination* - and the Pioneer Moles had wonderful creativity, imagination, and great senses of humor**

*why I still play Minecraft sometimes

**not that the current Moles aren't creative, imaginative, and funny***, but they have more pixels to play with.

***which reminds me about the original topic - I swear I saw a region on the map last week named "We Are All Doomed", but now I can't find it.

You're a good use case to prove my point. You do an enormous amount of exploring as I know from chatting with you as you have come to my land preserve areas.

If you didn't realize you have to rename them, how much more the average schmo who is just flying around trying to enjoy SL.

I am very savvy about making and renaming land-marks, because I run 3-4 servers with interesting places I update constantly with landmarks I sometimes rename because the Lindens named them all the same in the Coastal Areas and because people rename things or re-parcel. It's not a problem for me to do this.

But I recognize IT IS A PROBLEM THAT THE LINDENS CAN FIX EASILY AND NOT MAKE ANNOYANCE FOR OTHERS. More to the point, fix and get A LOT MORE USE OF THEIR LAND.

That there are two forums regulars who regularly snipe and hate on me who can't grasp this, and have to rant and rage about how it is easy to do, or I should do it or else I'm a moron, is never surprising. As I said, Lindens, even Lindens who might close this thread, are so much better than forums regs who behave like this. They get it. They will rename their parcels -- watch them.

Yes I saw that region too. Was that Linden? Well, whatever. Let's hope not.

The Lindens can easily ensure that THOUSANDS of their special locations ARE NOT ALL NAMED EXACTLY THE SAME, COASTAL WATERWAY. They may not have reflected on this. They make the places, then go to the next and don't worry about how to get use out of them; how to share them. They may figure if it says the sim name when you click and use "show on map," that's enough.

But the average clueless SL travelers, casual or experience, doesn't first check the map. they just go. They make a landmark. And now have a mess. The end.

 

 
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Good morning Prok, did you have a pleasant time slating and slandering us for taking part in the conversation? I hope you did 

Anyway, I don't run rentals or a land preserve or a server. You're right on that. But I do sometimes make things to travel about on and include a notecard with some of my favourite scenic Linden locations and nearby rez areas (always Linden because they're stable and reliable). I have more annotated LMs for good places to take snaps to make the vendor images from. It's never been a big deal to me to amend an LM after I take it. It's just part of taking an LM 🤷‍♀️. I notice if it's sufficient or if more is needed and if more is needed, I add something. Do it with shops, places I come across on my travels, friends' places, wherever I think I might want to go back to.

When we were new, friends and I would explore endlessly. We'd spend days doing it and getting lost was part of the fun. We weren't in the mindset to document it all with countless LMs though, only enough to get us back to certain places and general areas. That we don't have your habits doesn't mean we don't enjoy Linden places. Why do you assume we don't simply because we don't share your particular habits?

May I be allowed to wonder how many are similar to me, my friends, Tari and how many might be like you? I suspect there's very few who process and update LMs in their thousands on a regular basis, and even fewer who do it without bots.

Anyway, wishing you a lovely day. All the best  

PROKOFY NEVA

I stand by everything I've written here because it's true. And I'll repaste what I said because it's true, again:

I think you and Tari Landar have never visited these Linden places so you can't understand what I'm talking about, but that's common.

Anyone who explores a lot in SL and enjoys the Linden places get this, but you don't because you don't.

1. I surmised -- "I think" that you must NOT have have visited these places. Because you denied that this was an issue -- and still do. And I have to conclude that no, you still have not visited the Coastal Waterway issues because you are still huffing and puffing.

2. Those who explore the *Linden* places as distinct from any other place of which there are zillions knows this is a frustration especially when sharing something. I encountered this in my Mainland Appreciation Group with me and others having a bunch of "Coastal Waterways" and not knowing what they hooked up to FROM INVENTORY until we tested on the map - one more chore.

3. I'll say it again: you must not go to Linden docks which are nothing special with no markings, and get COASTAL WATERWAY and get frustrated. I have no doubt that your inventory does not contain COASTAL WATERWAY now -- and you'd admit that if you were writing in good faith here -- and it's not because you went and re-named them on the fly.

Nothing you've said or Tari said proves that you go to these places because if you did, you'd at least get the problem -- and you don't.

When people response to a statement of fact with "You are slandering me," I can often conclude that they understood something is true, but can't admit it.

Re: "But I do sometimes make things to travel about on and include a notecard with some of my favourite scenic Linden locations and nearby rez areas (always Linden because they're stable and reliable

No doubt these aren't COASTAL WATERWAY as you would have had this problem so many times you would have joined me in asking the Lindens to fix this. Old Linden places do have labels. These new ones do NOT. If you have these in a giver at your store, great, but they may not have Coastal -- and I bet you do NOT have them. Because if you DID, by now, customers would be saying , "Hey, these things are all named the same."

Another thing I can understand about it is that instead of serving the public, serving people and preventing their confusion, it's more important to you to rage about being "slandered". (By the way, "libel" is the correct legal term for *written* speech).

These Linden areas are all named the same which means landmarking them is pointless and cuts down on their visits and sharing. 

It's hard to keep re-naming lots of landmarks as you fly around and it's easier for the Lindens to give unique names to parcels they make as they parcel them. After all, they want use of their free places.

It's not a big deal for anybody to rename a landmark BUT THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO. Many people landmarking these nice places DO NOT REALIZE THEY ARE ALL NAMED EXACTLY THE SAME and will have trouble sorting them and returning them and - yes, renaming them.

I guess you don't have that many customers so you don't think first of what is a problem for YOUR CUSTOMERS, then a problem for you as the manager of a small boutique business. I do.

If you log in and travel, that's great, but since so many of the mainly anonymous and unaccountable people on these forums do NOT, and make avatars with zero activity to post on the forums, it's a safe assumption.

Most people who are ordinary and not on the forums and not special and not in with the Moles find it difficult to do this. Some don't even know you *can* do this. Some can't make landmarks. You are not thinking of this because you don't deal with the masses; you deal with a small sub-sett of the SL population who buy old mosaics for their walls. bTW that includes me, who has a) bought your products for years b) won a design contest in your house, giving you enormous amounts of publicity.

It's easier to keep sniping and raging and imagining that things you do are the norm though, isn't it?

Well, don't. 

PPS I stopped by your store. I didn't see any landmark givers of interesting places to explore, but that's ok, it's not required, people can just be hobbyists and just collect places and sometimes share them. Let's recall how you greeted my point about this problem:

Landmark names can be edited. A friend drops LMs on me when he finds somewhere he thinks I'd like and I always add a FROM GEORGE on the end so I can find it again 

The LM name comes from the parcel. The owner of the parcel gives it the name.

Are you complaining about this in general or because the Lindens didn't name things to your specifications in their parcels?

So before you rant and rage some more about "slander," consider that your nasty, vicious, stupid, vitriolic comments to me about things that we both know I know and are obvious -- and aren't the point -- just to be "clever" -- they get a pushback from me. You then focus on that pushback and not your behaviour as if you are flying around in a white robe like one of your art pieces.

PPPS I considered buying the Pompei Bouillabase which is nice but I knew you had copied it from the Internet -- it's in the public domain after all -- and I could pay $10 and upload it -- after lightening it in Paint -- rather than $225. I do buy public domain from people even for that much. It's a skill to get it framed and lighted properly and looking good in SL and I value that. But sometimes my own $10 upload will do.

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