Wow, slow news day, the forums have found something to chew on -- surprise, surprise, it's my ass again, as usual. Queen Aimee is on hand to make the usual smug and coyly self-referential comment: "The practice of targeting a single resident my have run afoul of LL policies as well."
Here's a copy of my letter to Hammie:
Hi, Hamlet, I see you removed links to my blog from your blog, and no doubt you did this under the crush of pressure from people like Aimee Weber who cannot bear the slightest criticism of *their ideas* and *their privileges and undue influence* in SL.
They may have convinced you -- or you may have convinced yourself -- that my blog constitutes "personal attacks" that are "inadmissible under LL policy" (although of course, blogs outside of SL don't fall under the TOS).
If you actually look at my blog, you'll see what I do is *fight back* when people attack me with impunity on the SL forums, constantly -- daily! -- raising my name for some sort of attack, harassment, personal invective, name-calling, etc. -- even if I put in a product ad, someone will post another thread to ridicule the product.
This is such a routine matter that I'm sure you've grown inured to it if you ever noticed it, but it is important to note that my blog exposures are not personal attacks -- when Aimee starts a dozen fake "generic threads" that are all about me in the forums, like "we need psychiatric care in SL for people with gender dysphoria" etc, I expose them as such, and I also rebut their ideas, which I believe to spell death for SL.
I look forward to seeing you remove the link to sluniverse.com as well, since on that blog, Cristiano Midnight, Nolan Nash, Angel Leviathan, Cienna Samiam and a host of others have routinely attacked me and engaged in:
o threads only about one person
o publishing of chat histories without consent
o libel
o libel with the *wrong* real life making accusations of RL crimes that were utterly false
o constant swearing name-calling, etc.
For that matter, if this is your criteria -- "personal attacks with impunity" -- you ought to remove the links to www.forums.secondlife.com as well.
happy holidays,
Prok
When you signed up, was the surname "Queeg" unavailable?
Posted by: Kendra Bancroft | 12/25/2005 at 04:36 PM
You reap what you sow, and it's harvest time.
Although, I think Hamlet needs to go one step further and ban you from his blog altogether.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.
You will eventually antagonize LL so much that they will pull the plug on you.
Because LL took so long to remove you from the forums, I think that you realize they are very slow to action. (Thank goodness for California dope smokin' hippies, eh?)
I also think that armed with this knowledge, you take advantage of the situation, and push as far as you can.
I have seen players banned from other MMOE's for attacking the developers, other residents, or both, on their own 3rd party sites.
If you plan on being in SL for the long haul, I'd recommend that you chill out. We both know you are incapable of that, for whatever reasons, so I won't belabor it, and will simply wish you a "good-bye" in advance.
Just so you know, I was one of the people who told you that you would be banned from the forums if you didn't chill -- you answered quite indignantly that you wouldn't be...
Save the screams of "OMG! YOU HAVE INSIDER KNOWLEDGE FROM LL!" My opinion that you will be exorcised from SL eventually is based on common sense and many years of MMOE experience.
Happy Festivus!
(posted in wrong comments section, reposted here.)
Posted by: Delphi | 12/25/2005 at 04:43 PM
This just in from our gal pal Aimee:
"Well if you see any other blogs on Hamlet's list that have an extensive history of singling out one single resident for the purpose of violating their privacy, lying about them, and basically calling them names, then you should compile a list of incriminating entries from that blogger and submit them to Hamlet. I'm sure he would consider removing them as well.
I for one couldn't find any other blogs like that."
Helpful hint:
http://www.sluniverse.com
o has an extensive history of singling out me for attacks, among others
o has violated my privacy by outing my RL info without my consent, not contained on my profile, dug up from various Internet google witch-hunts and HUMINT
o had published chat logs
o many entries fit this bill
ktx!
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 06:44 AM
SLU is not a blog, nor is it linked to on NWN.
Nice try.
Posted by: Delphi | 12/26/2005 at 02:00 PM
Aww, the scorched earth strategy is so cute to see in action - it works well for you, though the desperation and hypocrisy is showing. The main problem is I'm not worried one bit if sluniverse.com is linked to NWN or not. I don't read the site and have no affiliation with it.
As far as your claims of "extensive history" - compare how many threads are about you in the forums to how many blog entries you have written about Aimee and myself, then talk about extensive. You also post chat logs, swear like a truck driver, and post libelous statements that you claim are merely your observations. I imagine in Hamlet removed your blog, it is for the trash you have said about Hamlet yourself - not about what you have said to anyone else. I would rather he removed both of our sites (mine is not a blog) that to have Linden Lab try to dictate speech in either place.
Posted by: Cristiano Midnight | 12/26/2005 at 02:00 PM
Um, I'm sure I'll get just as many readers without Hamlet as with, Cristiano, hardly any show of "desperation," just a bemused commentary on how the house organist is behaving true to form again.
You're hardly one to beging swinging your fists about posting libelous statements and chat logs, Cristiano, but whereas I've amply demonstrated how the things you've posted about me are libelous and false, you've failed to do that with anything I've posted here.
If you want to see swearing that would make a truck driver blush, talk to your pal Siggy, both on and off the forums, and right here on this blog. Geez.
My observations aren't "libelous" and I stand by them. Stop reaching outside your little slogosphere to try to control my speech with empty threats and harassment, Cristiano.
If I criticize Hamlet, that's right and just, he deserves to be roundly condemned for the really nasty role he has played in upholding this really nasty and vicious bunch on the forums, and doing stuff like sucking up to SLOG and gushing that it's the greatest thing since creamed cheese. Honestly, I've haven't seen such a vigorous mutual blow job fest as that in a long time.
It's understood that Hamlet is a company organist, and that he has a certain PR job to do. He can do that respectfully and tastefully, however, and command respect. He sure doesn't do it when he joins in the Linden feting fest with the FIC, particularly SLoggers Aimee, Forseti, etc and figures like Hiro which he covers unblushingly without the slightest awareness of the nasty role they play on the forums in bullying others into group-think.
Ugh.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 06:32 PM
SLU is a blog. It has a forums that functions as a blog even if it doesn't have some technically tekkie "blog look". Shees. It IS a blog.
Furthemore, it IS indeed linked to NWN.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 06:34 PM
"SLU is a blog. It has a forums that functions as a blog even if it doesn't have some technically tekkie "blog look". Shees. It IS a blog.
Furthemore, it IS indeed linked to NWN."
No see, it's not, that's why ANYONE who signs up can start a thread there, and it is called a "forums". What a lame attempt to obfuscate.
And SLU may link to NWN, not sure, don't care, BUT, NWN is NOT linked to SLU.
We ARE talking about NWN linking to player's sites RIGHT?
Yet another lame red herring.
You're slipping Prokofy. You're usually at least opaque with your agendas.
Posted by: Delphi | 12/26/2005 at 07:49 PM
Forum:
An online discussion group. Online services and bulletin board services (BBS's) provide a variety of forums, in which participants with common interests can exchange open messages. Forums are sometimes called newsgroups (in the Internet world) or conferences.
Blog:
(n.) Short for Web log, a blog is a Web page that serves as a publicly accessible personal journal for an individual (or sometimes a specific group of individuals). Typically updated daily, blogs often reflect the personality of the author.
(v.) To author a Web log.
kthxbye
Posted by: Delphi | 12/26/2005 at 07:52 PM
"Honestly, I've haven't seen such a vigorous mutual blow job fest as that in a long time."
http://www.secondlifeherald.com/blog/
If THAT site isn't a full on circle-jerk, rife with wannabe academics, I don't know what is!
Posted by: Delphi | 12/26/2005 at 07:57 PM
i cant find any links to slu on hamlets blog. lie lie lie
anybody else hear the rumor that proks little goverment center stunt started the ball rolling at LL to boot him? the quote i heard was that LL wants to...
"slowly extricate themselves from Prokofy, then remove him from the game all together."
LOL! btw, that WASNT from a linden so it could all be BS but it was told to me as truth. funny if its true
Posted by: informer | 12/26/2005 at 08:02 PM
Um, informer, try this link:
http://secondlife.blogs.com/nwn/2005/03/link_of_the_wee.html
It's one of many times that Hamlet featured Snapzilla, linking that site to his blog. On that site link, you can find the forums. The forums contain libel and other crimes against the TOS.
So there is no "lie" here at all. To be sure, in looking at the links to blogs at the left, I misread one of the links that said "Second Life" to say "Universe" but it was not a "lie," merely a mistake in reading. So no, if you mean to be hypocritically literally correct, there is no link to sluniverse.com on the left-hand side of Hamlet's blog where he lists resident blogs. But you're wrong if you think he does not link to sluniverse.com -- which is your claim, and which is easily dismissed -- he links to it frequently, even making it "the link of the week".
A specious, literalist, bloody-minded pointless argument about links, or why blogs (in the "classic" blog format" are different than "forums" is really beside the point here. To seize on these literal words and their meanings (in typical tekkie-wikinista fashion) is to avoid the larger point: that Cristiano's site, whatever you want to call it, engages in libel and attacks, yet Hamlet features its pretty photo services. Go figure.
I haven't done anything wrong by featuring Aimee's mock-up of a government center, spoofing her ambitions -- which are considerable -- in a humorous blog entry. The idea that LL can reach outside of its own ambit and suppress speech is an interesting one -- one that was much discussed around Stratics and TSO. LL has prided itself on being more tolerant of free speech in many regards, up to and including the tolerance of Lazarus Divine's outrageous spamming of the world and devaluation of property.
To be sure, Aimee is no doubt trying to whip up hysteria around this issue, claiming "invasion of privacy" or "stalking" or whatever other silly thing she is doing. But with her political ambitions and attempts to influence politics in SL, when she creates a mock-up of a sim for herself and her friends with "government center" in the middle, it's news -- at least of the humorous blog news variety. That's legitimate.
It's important to keep challenging and exposing both Aimee's ideas, which I believe to be harmful for the civilization of this world, and her undue influence. That's all it's about. It's not about "libel" or "personal attacks" and any effort to construe them as such are merely efforts to silence legitimate criticism.
I have no idea if this claimed Linden quote is a true Linden quote or not -- sounds like the kind of psy-war that our old army intelligence pal Nolan was famous for -- but given the propensity of LL to hire residents as liaisions, and given how liaisons keep their old tribal networks from the game, I have no doubt that there are certain liaisons that try to whip up this sentiment and spread these rumours.
It's the Linden's game, no matter how much they pretend it's ours. They don't need to be slow about "extricating themselves" from any resident. There's always another guy to buy the island.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 08:26 PM
the diff between slu and prokworld is... prokworld sucks
and i thoguht i made it clear it was NOT a linden that gave me that quote so dont get your panties in a bunhc.
it could all be BS.
but what i heard was lindens started paying attention to your blog at "my enemy aimee weber" and they were waiting for an "in-world incursion" and they decided your skybox photo was good enough and because of slherald and fortune mag and all that crap... they didnt want a momentus EVENT where you get banned and all your little drones like brace coral and coco protest. so instead they want to slowly remove you from the game.
thats what i heard lol! you are about to go out with a wimper not a bang hahahahaha!
Posted by: informer | 12/26/2005 at 08:44 PM
Yeah, you made it clear that it wasn't a Linden, but you made it appear as if THAT person got it from a Linden on good authority.
Imagine, a world where Plastic Duck and his friends are routinely allowed to come back as alts and crash the grid and grief people, where Lazarus is allowed to spam up the world and extort people to get rid of his damn signs, and Lindens are trying to extricate themselves from...what? A person who subsidizes a lot of people's games by enabling them to have cheap rentals? Hello? What kind of world is that?
If the Lindens "started paying attention to my blog" (which Lindens? There are a lot of Lindens, of varying stages of "don't give a damn" about this blog lol) -- then it wouldn't be with that piece. And "My Enemy Aimee Weber" is titled as such because it is an exegesis of how Aimee *herself* FIRST made me her enemy long ago, as outlined in the blog post, and how she continued to reference me in her "enemy" posts later.
I didn't take the skybox photo, and there is no law against taking photos and publishing them that I can surmise. It's not like it shows her naked with a furry or something private -- it's just a prototype of a building with the word "government" in it -- or is that the kind of secret that would be a worse secret than being naked with a furry???
Of course, the Lindens have a lot of legalistic language on their website about screenshots. But no game company is going to go all over the Internet policing screenshots -- if they began doing that the screeching of fans would never cease, and they wouldn't be able to even *have* fans who would feel encouraged and empowered to show the many wonderful screenshots out of the game.
It's merely Aimee and her pals posturing and trying to whip up something -- anything except just rationally debate the ideas and find real justifications for their odious positions like being pro-bounce script and pro-Lazarus Divine. Their arguments can't stand up under debate, so they resort to these other tactics of personal attacks, innuendo on the forums with fake threads, and threats.
The Lindens can get rid of people at any moment, for no reason or any reason. But you can't live your life with that fear, you have to just carry on.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 09:03 PM
That's very interesting, Informer. Yes, as you say, it could be total bs, but it sounds like you heard it from a legitimate source, and it does have a certain ring of truth about it.
We have seen in the past how a Linden talked with other residents on IRC about the best way to get rid of a resident (Prokofy). That they might still be doing so isn't surprising, though it would be just as disturbing as ever.
When we join a game - or any enterprise where there is one body of owners and another body of customers, who pay for the services, one might expect the owners to discuss things among themselves regarding the customers.
One does not expect, though, that some customers will be exalted to the point of being privy to and part of such conversations about "what to do with customer x."
One expects all customers to be created equal, and one expects them to be treated equally as well.
It is appalling to think that other residents have the ability to influence the Lindens to work against another paying resident - or that they are even in on such conversations with the Lindens. Yet, we know they have been, on at least one occasion.
It isn't even necessary, because the Lindens can actually get rid of whoever they want to, whenever, for "any and no reason." That would be more honest, in a way, than looking for things such as "skybox picture," or discussing one resident with others. Yet we know they do exactly that.
That you say it is the skybox picture they think they can use against Prok - and assuming ANY of this is true - then they would be acting on something that is indefensible on any level. That a resident should have a photo of a skybox of another resident is, in the first place, not a crime.
That Prok didn't even take this picture himself, but was instead given it by someone else (apparently a friend of Aimee), makes it even more ridiculous.
Thirdly, if this is indeed the straw on which they intend to "act," then we might also conclude that Aimee's skybox privacy is for some reason a matter of greater concern than anyone else's.
I doubt that if someone decided to take a picture of my property that I could get that person banned for it. And if that person gave such a picture to another resident, I doubt I could get that other resident banned for possessing it, or printing it on his own blog. Or giving his own opinion on it, or satirizing it, on his own blog.
All that would be, of course, IF all this were in fact true, which, as you point out, Informer, we really can't assume. However, the story is disturbingly believable.
coco
Posted by: Cocoanut Koala | 12/26/2005 at 09:09 PM
I think the world of the Lindens doesn't really operate in terms of "company and customers," Coco. I think it's more like "we're the smart people doing this really important and cool thing and we have some collaborators in this effort who are smart enough and cool enough to understand us and these *other feebs and choads get in our way*."
It's that mentality we've seen time and again, with a company made up of 1/3 of its customers (!), that constantly prevails on things like this. It's very tribal.
And it's not really about Aimee and her skybox, or Kenny and his conversation with Random, or any of a hundred things that they might take a microscope to and see if they can't say, "give us the man, and we'll find the article to try him," as Vyshinsky famously told Stalin.
I find it interesting -- and sad -- that these feted residents with these Linden connections use their special powers not to rid the world of Plastic Duck or Lazarus Divine, but of Prokofy Neva.
I could ask Lindens when their office is open again whether in fact this is their current position. They would likely say nothing. I think they prefer to have plausible deniability and let the fanboyz kill off people they don't like so that it doesn't leave fingerprints. They can do this in many, many different ways, Hamlet's delinking being only a more obvious one. Remember there was the completely specious kicking of me from the Community Round Table mailing list -- invoking law after the fact, for offenses that weren't offenses when no law was promulgated, and selectively prosecuting for a perceived offense of which others were primarily guilty, and which, as usual, I responded to -- must as with their regular forums.
You'd like to think that Lindens are broad-minded and kind enough not to do these petty and vindictive things. But 1/3 of them are residents, obviously with axes to grind -- and we can't even be sure if they are the BEST residents in terms of character, can we?
There is really no checks or balances on them to stop this sort of tribal defensiveness.
Don't forget that Pathfinder, denizen of the IRC channel, is an admitted former (and well-liked and well-appreciated) resident -- and was new when all this IRC plotting was going on.
Also note that "informer" (I love these brave people who give their SL avatars' names *cough*) is providing his website as www.somethingawful.com which is home of W-HAT and Plastic Duck and suck. Plastic Duck has been gunning for me for a long time. The reason he does that is because we have some of the same targets, oddly enough (big business in SL with too much power) but we have completely different means of achieving our critiques -- he uses violence and mayhem and I use words. By existing, and attacking what he attacks, I show him up to be the terrorist that he is -- were I to not exist, he could pretend his cause is the just cause of attacking things that need to be attacked. This is a common political problem.
It was Plastic Duck's attack on me with RL disclosure and verbal harassment (with his avatar Griefer Overlord) that cause me to draw the attention of the Lindens to the presence of PD again, and to urge them to take a care for their grid, not just this attack. I'm sure that gave them a heightened watchfulness, so perhaps they were better prepared when he or his cutaway pals did take down the grid. So he's more than mad at me and might make common cause with just about anybody now to lash back at me (and this latest psy-war post is evidence of it).
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 09:58 PM
dude. sa and w-hat is not some kindof organization with central plans or anything. anybody in w-hat does what they want.
i will say though, most of us hate you because you are a bitch who looks like a bag lady. and we love aimee because she is a fine piece of ass. :)
Posted by: informer | 12/26/2005 at 10:20 PM
"I think the world of the Lindens doesn't really operate in terms of "company and customers," Coco. I think it's more like "we're the smart people doing this really important and cool thing and we have some collaborators in this effort who are smart enough and cool enough to understand us and these *other feebs and choads get in our way*."
It's that mentality we've seen time and again, with a company made up of 1/3 of its customers (!), that constantly prevails on things like this. It's very tribal."
Again, who in their right fucking mind would pay a company 100's, if not 1000's of dollars a month, to be treated as a "choad"?
No one.
This is at the core of why I do not believe that you really believe a lot what say Prokofy, and instead believe that you are either an out of control attention vampire, or trying to get (force) material for a book, so you can write it as an extension of your extreme intolerance for people who are different than you.
Why do the people who have developed PC's, games, and the internet, which you are a beneficiary of, intimidate you so much?
The gist of this LL leak about your eventual demise(if it's true) does not surprise me one tiny bit.
You attack them. You call them names. Non-stop. It's simple common sense to recognize that there is only so much people will take. Companies or individuals. The shit you have said directly to liaisons would get you banned ASAP in other games. No other developers would put up with your attacks, obssesions, and lies, 3rd party site or not. You of course recognize how slow to action SL is -- just how lax they really are (while trying to convince everyone of just the OPPOSITE - I see through it, and I hope others do too)and you exploit the fact.
As I said, you would be gone from most other MMOE's/MMOG's. No question about it.
Welcome to Waterloo, Little Corporal.
Posted by: Delphi | 12/26/2005 at 10:27 PM
Delphi, you're the one with extreme intolerance for people who think differently than you. You can't let them alone, and you can't accept that you can't change their minds. This is the real evil core of your group-think -- that you not only engage in a rigid conformism, but that you impose it on others and discredit them if they won't change their minds. It's really quite evil.
I'm not writing any book or role-playing any Napoleon RPG. I'm just trying to make the world a better place, by my own lights. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that' indeed, it is to be commended.
The Lindens and their 1/3 player-staff need to get out of the garden patch and grow up and broaden their minds -- it's a big world, and what they've made is bigger than them and their clique.
There'd be no reason of any just and rational kind for my "demise" and all your posturing about "warning me" is merely a threat to try to silence my legitimate criticism.
I haven't said any "shit" to liaisons. The transcripts are publishered here. If I tell a PLAYER -- a Linden who was FIVE MINUTES AGO A PLAYER -- that if he fled griefing and blight in a sim where he lived for a year, that he is a chump -- well it's because he *is* a chump. I don't flee sims where I've been for a year so I know from wherein I speak. You have to take a stand. You don't run and become a Linden, or run from your sim -- you take a stand, you don't let some griefing asswipe ruin your life.
I'm not aware that it's a TOS violation to call a Linden to his face "a chump". It's blunt, but it's not an offense. If this sort of thing were an offense, we'd see thousands of people banned constantly.
There are no attacks, obsessions, and lies. What I do is fight back against others' obsessions. I do not lie, as they do deliberately; I expose them. My criticism is legitimate.
I'm not gone from any other MMORPG and never have been gone from any other MMORPG and your narrow-minded notions of what constitutes something "illegal" are woefully inadequate even in the little fetid hothouse of these games. SL prides itself on not being a game. It also prides itself on freedom of expression to the point that it permits Lazarus Divine to completely blight up the mainland -- which has the side effect, intended or not, ensuring more business for their pets like Adam Zaius who run private island rentals.
It's a pretty ugly business, and I'm certain that it's important that voices like mine, even if very much in the minority, need to keep sounding off.
Let's remember what this is about. It's about some residents being featured on the web page -- and never any others. Where are those other featured residents? It's just that simple. It's about taking a stand against bounce scripts, blight, griefing -- of the real kind that really should "get people gone from MMORPEGS". You show a strange lack of interest in the real menaces to these games.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 11:26 PM
The "SA and W-HAT isn't centralized and they do what they want" argument doesn't hold a bit of water. It's as phony as a $3 bill. It just so happens that "what they all feel like doing is grashing the grid," eh?
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/26/2005 at 11:27 PM
One can always tell when they've gotten too close to the truth for Prokofy's liking when you get the juvenile, "I know you are, but what am I?" type reply.
You are a griefer and the worst kind of internet troll. There is nothing wrong with getting griefing trolls gone. It doesn't matter if they have noble goals. Those goals are obscured by all the ad hominem, rage, angst, obsession, distrust, paranoia, and xenophobia. History is rife with would be good-guys who fell victim to their own arrogance and intolerance.
We all want a better world. We all want Lazarus's signs gone. It's fucking amazing how you try to twist things to make your "enemies" look worse.
I am not "warning" you. I am TELLING you. You are on the track to being gone. If I gave a damn about the pathetic Neva Neva Land you live in, I would warn you. I don't, therefore, it does me absolutely no good to warn you. In fact, I hope you keep it up -- as I've said before, I'll throw a party and dance a jig the day they shitcan you for good. Ther eis no one else I can say that about in SL without remorse. No one. You are a hateful little person whose life's ambition is to prove what bad people the developers of SL and a vague segment of their userbase is. Presuming that what is on the surface is the same as what lies beneath...
I didn't say you did anything "illegal". In fact, the hardest to deal with internet personalities are those who are oh so adept at skirting the rules. I said you called them names, and you have. So blather on with more non sequiturs. What I said is a fact, and people will only stand for being called names for so long.
What if I called up another MMOE/G (I am a resident in more than one), my ISP, my bank, or my credit card company and called them names for months on end? Told them they were corrupt and inept?
You can bet your ass they wouldn't put up with it for very long. So once again, I say you are exploiting the fact that LL is MUCH, MUCH more tolerant and approachable than other development teams. It's not even an arguable point really -- it's that obvious to those of us who've been around teh block as far as MMOE/G's go.
What is your end game Messiah? Are you really so arrogant as to think that LL and their 1/3rd player selected staffers are going to have a collective change of heart, and decide that you've been right all along? Fat chance. See, this is what doesn't fit. Something just doesn't jive. You pay this outfit who you claim is so corrupt lots of money. It just makes no sense, UNLESS, you are so arrogant as to think that you will change them. Which would be really funny, given your lament above about us trying to "change" you. I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know that I've ever met a bigger hypocrite in my entire life, so no, I would not be surprised to find out that you think that one day, LL will see the light Prokofy has thrust skyward, and they will simply change SL to make ProkSquawk happy. *Rolls eyes*
I'd point by point your hogwash comment above, but, right now, I have more pressing concerns, like cleaning the catbox and taking out the recycling.
Posted by: Delphi | 12/27/2005 at 12:27 AM
Delphi, you hallucinate if you imagine that your silly arguments somehow perturb me. The group-think, the slavish conformity, the haughty arrogance and wagons-circling -- you have no idea how that makes you and your friends look -- bad.
It goes without saying that I don't have arrogance and intolerance when I oppose others who manifest these vices. Somebody who is willing to try to run somebody out of a game on a rail in tar and feathers over...what? over a leaked picture of their prototype of...what? Stores? Hello?
Could you get a grip here? You've lost it, totally.
Um, I have no comment on some sort of "end game" because I'm not a person with "an agenda". I'm just doing what I think is right, by the light of my conscience.
More people ought to do that, we'd have a better game.
I have no illusions about changing LL, but over time, they will change, and it won't be only due to me, it will be due to their world itself changing and growing larger.
The concept of "Internet troll," taken from virulent MMORPG culture, means nothing to me. Often people who are persistent critics and deserve a hearing get this label. But it's also an apt description of what a person does -- like you -- when they keep ragging on someone's ass just for the sake of ragging, with no thought, no argument, no rationale. Merely to defend their tribe.
I have yet to hear a real *idea* from you, Delphi. You just rant and rant and defend your tribe, its symbols, its attributes. Rah, rah, rah.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/27/2005 at 01:53 AM
"Delphi, you hallucinate if you imagine that your silly arguments somehow perturb me. The group-think, the slavish conformity, the haughty arrogance and wagons-circling -- you have no idea how that makes you and your friends look -- bad."
I could care less if you are perturbed by what I say or not. I feel a need to rebutt the bile you spew so others who may come read your self-indulgent, wound licking caca have more than one side of the story.
I don't think that I, nor anyone else in SL who pushes back against your hostility, has a grasp on reality, and is not trying to force their own private Idaho on everyone else, looks bad.
What you fail to see, is that you've been circling your wagon since you entered SL. You seperated yourself, much as Cocoanutter has. YOU throw up the walls, you point the fingers. You tell LL and a segment of the population are morally bankrupt for supposedly doing things THAT YOU YOURSELF have done here on this blog, SLH, and SLU.
"It goes without saying that I don't have arrogance and intolerance when I oppose others who manifest these vices. Somebody who is willing to try to run somebody out of a game on a rail in tar and feathers over...what? over a leaked picture of their prototype of...what? Stores? Hello?"
You DON'T have arrogance? Are you fucking kidding me? You are the biggest self-worshipper I have had the misfortune of meeting - no wonder you and Coco became such fast friends.
No, not over a pic of a store. BWAHAHAHAHA! Yet another attempt to draw attention away from your OVERALL and persistant bad behavior. God, you're SO fucking transparent. This is about much more than that pic, and you know it, so quit pretending. I wasn't born yesterday you dumbass. This is about nearly a year of systematic rule bending and obsessive harrassment of people you think are bad people.
"Could you get a grip here? You've lost it, totally."
A grip? Lost it? Coming from you, Ms. Tourettes, that is QUITE humorous. I think I am going to have to send some friends over here to read that BULLSHIT! I am not the one who is portraying a game company and their users as the next coming of the Soviet Union. YOU "get a grip". Although, at your age, me thinks it's MUCH too late. I hope you don't cook with aluminum ware, because you don't need any help hurtling down that path to a life of drooling, and playing checkers in your PJs and a bathrobe.
"Um, I have no comment on some sort of "end game" because I'm not a person with "an agenda". I'm just doing what I think is right, by the light of my conscience."
We all have an agenda in life Prokofy, so spare me. Even your little buddy Coocoonutcake adheres to that philosophy. Yours just happens to be lashing out in all directions, at forces that simply don't exist.
"More people ought to do that, we'd have a better game."
Bullshit. We'd just have a bunch of sniveling, intolerant, and maladjusted whiners.
"I have no illusions about changing LL, but over time, they will change, and it won't be only due to me, it will be due to their world itself changing and growing larger."
Ah. The old "there's more like me coming" shtick! Newsflash, you're in the minority, and will continue to be, as long as you illustrate everything that happens around you with crackpot theories that have no basis in reality. No, there's more like US coming. Grounded, non-hysterical types. Sure, we may get a few more insecure types who have to prove their self-worth to themselves and each other by making a career out of being bitter and petty, but eh, they weed themselves out eventually, much as you are...
"The concept of "Internet troll," taken from virulent MMORPG culture, means nothing to me. Often people who are persistent critics and deserve a hearing get this label. But it's also an apt description of what a person does -- like you -- when they keep ragging on someone's ass just for the sake of ragging, with no thought, no argument, no rationale. Merely to defend their tribe."
OH LAWDY! Must I point out the cognitive dissonance in the above paragraph?
It's a necessary descriptor for a relatively new environment. Human beings do this. Outside the internet we have words like "bully", "manipulator", "Player", "user", and on and on. Those terms exist for a reason. They describe behavior displayed by people who are excruciatingly insecure. The worst part about the net is, that some folks get all tough and over-confident because they know there will be little or no repercussion.
"I have yet to hear a real *idea* from you, Delphi. You just rant and rant and defend your tribe, its symbols, its attributes. Rah, rah, rah."
Hahaha! More irony, the Headmaster Ranter says I am ranting! Rich.
I've had plenty of ideas here, many posed in the form of questions you've conveniently ignored.
Posted by: Delphi | 12/27/2005 at 03:39 AM
This notion that anyone coming into SL must "join the pack" must "be accepted by the tribe" or "must conform" is something that any reasonably thinking person would reject. It isn't a matter of "separating oneself" or "throwing up walls" (I don't live on a private sim or engage in invisible private projects) but merely a question of standing up for one's own individuality. It's totally sad that such a routine process, the achievement of the ages, would have to be called into question in a virtual world -- and yet time and again, it is.
The idea that someone "cooks with aluminum wear" and is heading towards playing checkers in their PJs" etc -- this is all typical group-think hate-festing, trying to impugn someone's mental condition. Pretty low tactic.
Um, it could be possible to posit someone "getting tough on the Internet" if they hid their identity behind fake names on a blog, or even their RL identity. I do neither. But you do. So who's the troll?
I've yet to see a real idea here, or anything but a beligerent game of "gotcha" with specious, narrow-minded little points. I honestly don't see any real justification of the tribe that any thinking person could accept.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 12/27/2005 at 09:11 AM
"This notion that anyone coming into SL must "join the pack" must "be accepted by the tribe" or "must conform" is something that any reasonably thinking person would reject."
Ummmm, who said you had to join any "pack"?
I don't recall seeing that anywhere. Just more outright bullshit.
What NORMAL people do, those who aren't so ignorant as to think that when entering a new world that the world should suddenly stop turning, and listen to the new person tell them what a bunch of bastards they are, is to TOLERATE the fact that not everyone thinks the way they do.
Get it Prokofy? SL is not ProkofyLand, SL is SL, made up of a diverse range of people from many cultures. Expecting them to all kow tow to Prok's world view is arrogant and plain wrong.
As far as names go, blah blah blah. Coming from someone who admits to "a huge number of sim or avatar identities and change them often", I find that statement highly specious.
Now, as far as I go, and this "pack" you claim exists. I am a solitary player. I hang with my RL partner in SL, and like ONE other person, a good friend. None of us are popular or well known, and none of us hangs out with the people you like to name (did you know Aimee's name is 26 times on just the front page of this blog?!!! TWENTY SIX!)all the time on this blog, let alone any Lindens. You're barking up the wrong tree grandma.
As far as "trying to impugn someone's mental condition. Pretty low tactic."
I don't really need to, you do a bang-up job on your own. But, let me say this Mr. Master Hypocrite -- You impugn people's credibilty, their character, mental state of being, etc., on a daily basis. You're rude, crude and obnoxious in doing so. Why is mental state off limits? I see no reason it should be, you call people all kinds of harsh crap everyday, and in fact, you impugn their mental state when you tell them they can't think for themselves, are Bolsheviks, and on and on. You hold no moral high ground here putz, despite what you may think or pretend to think.
Posted by: Delphi | 12/27/2005 at 10:15 AM