Have you been to Brown since p2p was put in? If you have, you know it has become a hugely unpleasant experience.
Before p2p was put in, we had to deal with that awful telehub called Fujin, where some bright bulb put all their guns and vehicles and crap for sale stacked up into the sky RIGHT in your face as you arrive. You are FORCED to look at it and can't fly around it. This was one of those telehub man-traps that gave telehubs a bad name, and btw, it wasn't on the new sims but the old coloured feted sims.
I was glad THAT was out of the way with p2p...except now, when you type in "Brown" into the list, if you don't do a map-look first and pinpoint -- you land bouncing all over hell's half acre with red lines in your face. Not one, but two stalls in the marketplace have vendors out, but "ban-all" lines on. Huh? What's up with that? I asked one woman who had them on what was up -- and she immediately apologized, said she didn't realize it was on, and took it off. Weeks actually went by with everyone bouncing around there, and no one thought to ask her -- such is the fuck-you hedonism culture and the neuralgic attitude toward asking anybody to change a thing about their land in favour of community spirit or consideration of one's neighbour.
Good for her! She got it! And, hey, I'll bet her sales are up!
Not so a royal class-A asswipe named Miroslaw Bukowski, who I actually had mistaken for someone more intelligent. He also has vendors out, and ban-all -- or ban at least everyone except access-only -- perhaps he has a rare, intimitate exclusive buyer's club lol? Amway to the stars?
Anyway, I also asked him could he take his ban lines out of his OPEN STALL IN THE PUBLIC MARKETPLACE (not his residential land, which is reasonably put on ban-all). I explained a) he is in the 128/128 line of fire and b) he is in an open marketplace.
Such is the tragedy of the SL commons that this asswipe still doesn't get it. I asked him once to move it -- no answer. I asked again, emboldened by the understanding attitude of the other person. I asked him to please take off his ban in the open public market place because not only is it a marketplace (with people passing through) it's on the 128/128 landing. So here's his wise-guy answer:
Miroslaw Bukowski: (Saved Thu Feb 09 16:02:50 2006) change ur landing location
Miroslaw Bukowski: (Saved Thu Feb 09 16:02:52 2006) geez
Miroslaw Bukowski: (Saved Thu Feb 09 16:02:53 2006) o_0
Random Unsung: Um, look, I can't "change my landing position" when the SIM'S DEFAULT is 128/128 and you are on it -- when you type in "Brown" in the list and teleport to the sim, that's where it goes
Random Unsung: why on earth do you have to ban-all on an OPEN market parcel???? and inconvenience the hell out of everybody flying by?
Random Unsung: what's up with that?
Miroslaw Bukowski: cuz it's my land and I can do what ever I want with it
Miroslaw Bukowski: duh
Random Unsung: duh, you're a jerk, inconveniencing an entire sim, thanks a lot
Random Unsung: duh
Random Unsung: what an ass
Miroslaw Bukowski: lol
Miroslaw Bukowski: tell the linden's to move landing position then or something
Random Unsung: why put a vendor out to sale in an OPEN MARKET and ban everybody? I mean, how dumb is that????
Miroslaw Bukowski: don't come to me with that shit
Miroslaw Bukowski: asshole
Miroslaw Bukowski: :P
Random Unsung: don't come to me with your shit either geez
Miroslaw Bukowski: f u prick
Miroslaw Bukowski: :P
Random Unsung: a vendor in an open market with ban lines? I sure will report it to the Lidnens
Miroslaw Bukowski: do it
Random Unsung: um keep up the language so I can report it : )
Miroslaw Bukowski: do it
Miroslaw Bukowski: do it
Miroslaw Bukowski: do it
Miroslaw Bukowski: my land
Miroslaw Bukowski: I can do what I want
Miroslaw Bukowski: that is exactly what they will tell you
Random Unsung: yeah, that's a great attitude, and makes the world the very wonderful place that it is : )
Miroslaw Bukowski: oki well have a nice day :P
Miroslaw Bukowski: oh and next time before u msg me... check ur facts
Miroslaw Bukowski: I removed it last night
Miroslaw Bukowski: so I will be waiting for an appology
Miroslaw Bukowski: thanx :P
Random Unsung: Um, welcome to my blog
Random Unsung: and check your own facts, it ws on for WEEKS
Random Unsung: I politely asked you to move it RIGHT when I was bounced
Random Unsung: no aplogy for inconveniencing and annoying dozens of people for months, no
Miroslaw Bukowski: k then
Miroslaw Bukowski: f it
Miroslaw Bukowski: will put it back on
Miroslaw Bukowski: be that way
Miroslaw Bukowski: don't IM me again.... teaching a noob how to build
Miroslaw Bukowski: byez
Random Unsung: um well aren't you the community-spirited one !
Random Unsung: nobody in a communitiy puts ban-all on their marketplace stall
Random Unsung: ass
Miroslaw Bukowski: and nobody else complained about it
Random Unsung: and then SPITES somebody and puts it back
Miroslaw Bukowski: just u
Random Unsung: they are too timid because of bullies like you
Miroslaw Bukowski: set ur landing at some other spot
Miroslaw Bukowski: geez
Miroslaw Bukowski: it that simple
Random Unsung: it's not ME who set the landing for the FUCKING ENTIRE SIM DEFAULT DUH
Random Unsung: I can't set the landing on YOUR LAND DUH
Random Unsung: Jesus you're goddamn dumn about this
Miroslaw Bukowski: u live there?
Miroslaw Bukowski: in that sim?
Random Unsung: absolutely, I have 7 parcels there and 6 tenants and they are ALL inconvenienced
Random Unsung: as is everybody attempting to pass by
Random Unsung: you exemplify what is evil about this world
Random Unsung: "I can do what the fuck I want on my land and fuck you"
Random Unsung: thanks!
Random Unsung: bye!
When I first got my own land (actually, it was on Nexus's property, in Meins), I had those ban lines on and didn't realize it.
Finally this person happened to say something like, "Guess you want to be alone, huh?" And I said what? Then he told me that he saw ban lines. I was pretty new in the game at that time, and I didn't even know these couldn't be seen by the person who had them on.
I don't know how it happens that you get ban lines on without knowing it - I think I clicked something or other that wasn't clear, thinking I was doing something else.
But I bet I'm not the only one who did that by accident. They ought to make it harder to do, and so that you SEE them when they are up on your own property!
It's too bad, too, that we all assume they know they are on, and consequently don't bother them. I'm glad that person made a comment to me.
coco
Posted by: Cocoanut | 02/10/2006 at 01:29 PM
Mmm, I remember people like these! The thing is, this notion of, "It's MY land and I can do whatever I like with it," seems to cancel out, "Well, there are other people here and I should respect their feelings as well as my own."
You'll get many land idiots, but most of them aren't like this, Prokofy.
Oh and P.S., I'm sorry I missed your meeting last night, I came on too late. :P I coulda put some input in it, too...
Posted by: Squeedoo S. | 02/11/2006 at 09:46 AM
1. It is his land, which he has every right to turn them on, if he chooses.
2. This is an unfortunate by-product of P2P and something we'll probably see more of.
3. Most people would probably take kindly to the suggestion and turn them off - some won't. In those cases, don't TP to the default landing point on the sim.
4. AR it if it bothers you that much, though I don't know if the Lindens can do anything other than move the sim default landing point.
Posted by: juro kothari | 02/13/2006 at 12:24 PM
1. I don't care if it is "his land". It is "his land" in a context which is decidedly a public commons, a free and open market place. With his land on ban, people can't even come in and buy his items LOL. If he wants to put his home on ban, I guess we can't complain -- the tools allow it, and he seems to think the price of his privacy is worth the annoyance of others around his home.
In a marketplace, bans have absolutely no place. None. They don't belong. Indeed, it's only due to a game and sim peculiarity that Brown has marketplaces of 96 m2 for sale to individuals, instead of being run as merely Governor Linden parkland without autoreturn, which might make more sense, but would require more policing.
I'm all for increasing awareness of people that they are in a community, their actions affect others, and they don't have the right to impose their own enjoyment of Second Life in such a way as to harm the enjoyment of Second Life of others.
2. It is indeed an unfortunate byproduct of p2p the Lindens simply ignored -- worse, some of them simply refuse to understand the issue. They think everyone just points and clicks on the map. They refuse to listen to people telling them that people type and teleport using the map LIST.
They could fix this by making it so all typing of sims led to that set of sims' infohub. That would be restoring telehub-like function and value -- but without the forced endurance of some telehub laggy malls and avatar traps. Don't like them? Just click on the map then, don't type the name.
3. No, I'm going to keep up my battle against 128/128 hogs, as I've found in 50 percent of the cases, people simply didn't realize they were an inconvenience, and were publicly spirited enough to move their bans or builds so people could land. In another 50 percent of the cases, people were assholes and clung stubbornly to their position for days, but after enough people complained, some of them turned their annoying bans off.
It's intersting that Milow Bukowski now has his ban line off. It no longer inconveniences the general public. What he has viciously done, out of spite, is just to leave Random Unsung, my alt, on his ban list, so it is banned to the one person who complained on behalf of the public. The general public can benefit from such personal sacrifices : )
No, I'm not willing to start pulling up the map, waiting for it to resolve in the laggy came, peering at it trying to figure out where to land, knowing that it often doesn't update very fast, etc. etc. No. I'm going to quickly type "brown" and push "teleport" which is much, much faster.
4. I did AR it, and I got a serious study of it from one Linden merely because it's a Linden-zoned sim. The fact is, the 128/128 landing point belong to another person's stall is now clear, because she immediately got the problem, didn't realize the ban-all was on, and cleared it. So technically, that left Milo then NOT in the 128/128 but only *right next to it* so that as you try to fly up and out, you hit his ban lines. So the Lindens *technically* have no reason to do anything I guess.
"Moving the landing point" is not an option. All sims default to 128/128, Juro. They can't "move them". That is, maybe Lindens can move them. I wish they would. But they sure as hell aren't going to entertain individual requests for thousands of sims. I'm for them moving the landing point of all typed in requests for sims to Infohubs. I think that's a great idea to liven up Infohubs, take away the windfalls to the stores at 128/128, or the annoyances if that happens to be somebody's poseballs, and nobody should complain -- if they hate that idea, let them not type in names of sims to lists, let them unfurl the map, point, click.
You're just not getting this, like so many people. You're confusing the ability of a person to set the landing point of their individual parcel, which they can of course, do, with the Lindens having set the landing point of all sims to 128/128.
Your snarky answers aren't appreciated, Juro, because they are predicated on the notion that I'm stupid and don't understand something technically about this -- when you're the one who seems not to get it. I can't reset- 128/128/ And the Linden likely have compelling technical -- or sheer time problems -- in resetting it on a case-by-case basis.
My proposal for moving it back to telehubs/infohubs is politically incorrect, but a great solution!
Ultimately, I feel there's an urgent need to fight back against the culture of "WTF I do on my property". It's the bane of Second Life. We can have property rights, freedom, security and discretion on our properties. But as in RL, that means a modicum of consideration of one's neighbour.
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 02/13/2006 at 01:17 PM
Prokofy, I made a few points - most of which were inline with your thoughts on the matter - they weren't 'snarky' and I *do* get it, but I also recognize a few items which evidentally you don't or don't care to.
Yes, its a bitch that some people have that attitude, but then again, most of them probably had that land before all of this and, well, what do you do?
Posted by: juro kothari | 02/13/2006 at 03:09 PM
you ARE an ass wipe, asswipe!!!!
Posted by: Andrea Sorenson Hardy | 04/24/2006 at 04:53 PM
I'm convinced anew how right I was about this issue, how perfect my solution is -- make type-ins go not to 128/128 but to infohubs -- and how easy it would be for the Lindens to fix this.
After all, p2p can be used easily by the map, clicking anywhere, or by FIND or classifieds.
What's needed, however, is for lots of people, the Lindens included, to climb down from their anti-telehub obsession.
To date, the asswipe Milo still has his ban on Random, and still vexes his landings there. What a fucking jerk. SL is populated with such assholes, and exposing them one at a time is my current life's mission : )
Posted by: Prokofy Neva | 04/24/2006 at 07:40 PM