"I hope that we can all remember these wild days!"

Joselyn Coledale: omg
Joselyn Coledale: yea im here lol
Foolish Frost: <sigh> Did we lose part of the grid again?
Torley Linden: yes, the t hird torch!!
High wings: All Go
Jeska Linden: But Second Life... like first life
Pratyeka Muromachi: wow, did you see Phill fly off too?
otakup0pe Neumann: no appologies needed jeska !
otakup0pe Neumann: c'est la vie !
ryan00 Odets: hmmm anybody else see me as a woamn?
Iris Claveau: WB Philip!
Jonas Pierterson: and no lemony snicket
Shawk Pertwee: yay for fire
Jeska Linden: You gotta roll with it :)
Foolish Frost: That would all seem to point to a decentralized SL: A system where people rent the software for SL servers, and place the software on thier own hardware like an OS.
Neelena Benavente: WB Philip
katykiwi Moonflower: murphys law jes
otakup0pe Neumann: foolish : yes !
Philip Linden: wow I guess that was just me again.
Osprey Therian: Very true, Jeska
Jeska Linden: I for one want to thank you all for coming and hanging through :)
Philip Linden: bummer.
Foolish Frost: Welcome Philip!
Winter Eldrich: roll with it? On second life you can at least log out. ;P
Hiro Pendragon: You're special, Philip. That's why.
otakup0pe Neumann: that woudl be great for schools if nothing else
Elle Pollack: Yes it was, Philip
Sezmra Svarog: wb :P
Mr Mason: get a better graphics card phillip
Mad Wombat: lol
Neelena Benavente: lol
Mr Mason: :P
Zoe Llewelyn: Actually brilliant went down Phillip
crucial Armitage: lol
Philip Linden: Nope it isn't a client crash.
Jesse Linden: Yes, thanks for your patience
Pratyeka Muromachi: Phillip! did you fill a bug report?
You: Hi Philip Happy Birthday
Anne Noonan: update your graphics drivers philip ;)
Iris Claveau: I still want to hear where we are going
Philip Linden: it is a server slowdown of some kind.
katykiwi Moonflower: hi prok
You: hi katy
Philip Linden: I stop getting text.
Torley Linden: :)
Jeska Linden: hey everyone... shhhh :)
Philip Linden: and disconnect.
Jesse Linden: SHHH
Philip Linden: Well anyway what I was saying
Philip Linden: was that when you are on a website,
Schwartz Guillaume: something about beanstalks I think
Philip Linden: noone is there with you to help
Philip Linden: or guide,
Philip Linden: or comment.
Toboe Ingraham: yes, like Yahoo
Philip Linden: And that is, I think, what makes SL so different and better than the web.
Toboe Ingraham: That's why I love it so much
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Human Touch™.
Harald Nomad: ouch
Philip Linden: Not just the fact that things are in 3D and therefore more memorable and comprehensible,
Philip Linden: but the fact that we are a part of it, implicitly.
You: More emotional
Philip Linden: I guess griefing is the neg side of that.
Joan Nomad: Oh, Harald, do sit down already...
Mr Mason: griefing exists in RL, we just call it crime
Mr Mason: and vandalizme
katykiwi Moonflower: there are always griefers yes
Schwartz Guillaume: or comedy
Philip Linden: But in any case I think that the fact that we are here... together... that is what matters.
Philip Linden: And makes this all so very different.
Mad Wombat: GROUP HUG
Miel Maginot: Philip, you're not the first company to want to creat a "3D web", there have been many failures before. What makes you think this is a good move?
Frans Charming: `=)
Hermia Linden: Yay togetherness
otakup0pe Neumann: mor. personal ?
Iris Claveau: wow
Philip Linden: Because we know to make it owned by you not us.
Philip Linden: Like the net,
Philip Linden: supportive optionally of commerce,
otakup0pe Neumann: philip : was there just an indication that you are looking to make the server system more decentralized ?
Philip Linden: and because we knew that it had to be fun and playful, at first, to get started.
Foolish Frost: Because, to a degree, Philip and his team have already succeeded.
William Niangao: the retention of copyright/intellectual rights is a big reason Itried it out.
Philip Linden: We are looking at making everything that isn't decentralized!
property Resistance: In the net everyone can own server infrastructure :)
Hiro Pendragon: Philip: How is Linden Lab not going to become the next AOL?
otakup0pe Neumann: haha wicked answer.
Neelena Benavente: we were talking about that while you were gone; the co-created reality this is; we are pioneers
Philip Linden: I think that we are looking at long term growth of >1000X current size.
You: Maybe it's ok if it becomes an AOL Hiro
Mera Pixel: shush
otakup0pe Neumann: now that is optimism
Philip Linden: This means millions of servers,
Foolish Frost: Well! What do you know! The old Fool was right for once!
Jesse Linden: SHH
Philip Linden: and hundreds of millions of users
Philip Linden: Same scale as web/net.
Clopin Mendicant: (sowwy)
Philip Linden: This means that along with, of couse, having this all be user created and controlled,
Miel Maginot: Philip, in that cas, why even have inventory and L$ ? Why even have accounts? If all you want is to interact on 3D websites with other people, you dont need all that.
crucial Armitage: can you chay ca...ching
Winter Eldrich: Philip, Why did Linden labs stop verifying peoples IRL identity when they signed up? Isn't that more or less an open invitation to griefers?
crucial Armitage: lol
Philip Linden: that the systems themselves will have to be more open.
otakup0pe Neumann: i like what you are saying !
Philip Linden: Open source, open protocols and standards.
Anne Noonan: Open Source?
Anne Noonan: Wewtwewt =^.^=
Mad Wombat: eahm, open like the internet
otakup0pe Neumann: these things make it easier to get second life into schools !
Philip Linden: So that is something that we are working on now.
Mad Wombat: i meant "yeah"
Philip Linden: Too many people need to work on this. More than can just work for LL.
otakup0pe Neumann: so you are saying LL is open to partnerships ?
otakup0pe Neumann: ;)
Schwartz Guillaume: Miel: because SL isn't just 3d websites, it's collaboration and construction and communication
Neelena Benavente: how do you navigate partnerships and IP rights?
Philip Linden: Way beyond partnerships... we need to be profoundly open in the same way that the web has been
Miel Maginot: Schwartz, that's not what Philip is saying
Baba Yamamoto: I asked about open source like 4 times and each time you crashed... I know you're avoiding it ;0
Sezmra Svarog: lol
Philip Linden: so that this can be secure, extended, controlled by many, etc.
Serenitee Bliss is offline
Hiro Pendragon: lol
Philip Linden: baba I am far from avoiding it.
Frans Charming: haha
otakup0pe Neumann: hee.
crucial Armitage: heheh
Frans Charming: ;O
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Philip, would you care to tell us more about the nifty webservices-based API you're building for the past several months?
otakup0pe Neumann: free as in free speech and free as in free prims !
Philip Linden: I just want to defer making specific announcements on that front until we are ready.
Tao Takashi: don't try a 5th time because then he will switch off the DB server again ;-)
Philip Linden: !
You: Willl these unverified avatars become like the grey avatars logging in from public terminals in Snowcrash, third-class citizens?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe fair enough, I guess!
Philip Linden: Yes, we have been working a LOT on a webservices API
Neelena Benavente: can we cover some business aspects first?
Schwartz Guillaume: it's not a SL anniversary without a Snow Crash reference
Jamie David votes for gohsts
property Resistance: Philip, do you plan to scale up using the current client/server structure?
Philip Linden: so that everything we can put ther will be exposed as web alls.
Baba Yamamoto: We have an open source proposal on the vote page 1483... Nobody believes that Linden Lab would open the client or server
Philip Linden: calls.
Baba Yamamoto: I think you have to do it eventually .... it's got to happen for this world to grow
Neelena Benavente: lots of people want to participate in this virtureal economy
katykiwi Moonflower: baba you are hitting avies with your sign when you type
Philip Linden: I think that the infra where the server simulates the world and many users connect to each server is correct,
Miel Maginot: Philip, does this mean that ultimately, you envision that registration and user access will finally incumb to content providers instead of LL ?
katykiwi Moonflower: i read it an hour ago
Philip Linden: but we will likely need to allow there to be many many hosted servers long term.
otakup0pe Neumann: that's an ambiguous statement phillip. are you saying that LL will control the amount or a majority of the servers ?
Philip Linden: And yes I think that registration will probably be done longer term by you guys, not by us.
Neelena Benavente: how does a large project start up and protect their IP rights? its not as simple as the TOS
otakup0pe Neumann: neelna : carefully
otakup0pe Neumann: LL is fully DMCA compliant if you bring a complaint
Virtual Commons: Where would Linden Labs interest lie in this new architecture?
Frans Charming: RL law Neelena
Philip Linden: otak... very unlikely that we would run all the servers long term.
otakup0pe Neumann: it needs to be backed up with "real world" due process however
Will Webb: what about countries where the dcma does not apply
Virtual Commons: I mean, of course long term LL would still have to be able to show a profit...
Anne Noonan: Philip: creating a community of 10s of millions, unlike the web, needs controls. Will a system of laws and elected goverment ever be put in place?
Raven Singer shouts: Hiya Scope
Philip Linden: Without question... to the extent that 'metaverse' meets my definition...
Baba Yamamoto: That was always the goal
Elror Gullwing is online
otakup0pe Neumann: that is what phillip is implying baba
Mera Pixel: for crying out loud. if this is Q & A, can someone be the IM hub and que up questions?
Baba Yamamoto: read the sign...
otakup0pe Neumann: that LL realizes this
Scope Cleaver shouts: Hi Raven :)
Philip Linden: A digital version of the world,
Philip Linden: real and malleable and compelling enough for us all to do things in it that we can only dream of in RL.
Bub Linden is offline
otakup0pe Neumann: example : blowing up the high school chemistry lab
otakup0pe Neumann: example : magic school bus
Philip Linden: To move people forward by letting them learn and teach and live to the greatest degree they desire
Philip Linden: Look at all the stuff people are learning here!
Clopin Mendicant: It's a bad way to focus on something you want to get out of...
Alazarin Mondrian: so long as 'compelling' isn't a euphemisim for having a lagpit club next to you forcing you to move
Hiro Pendragon: Philip, you are the captain of a very large ship that many of us - especially those of us relying on SL as income - are riding in with YOU. We want SL to succeed - a lot of us like being given notice in advance of a major policy change like registration.
property Resistance: Philip, a question would be if the sim based structure will be kept, and then how these servers will be accessible. Will there be a continuous "landmass" with a map as directory or more like company grids that are seperate, like a Walmart or Ikea grid?
Philip Linden: It is inspiring... plenty inspiring enough to get me through troubles like today!
Philip Linden: As I said before millions of servers.
Virtual Commons: An open SL sounds like a dream come true. You mentioned others being able to help. I am sure you will have no shortage of volunteers for that kind fo project.
Rhiannon Chatnoir: ha foolish
Miel Maginot: Philip, are we talking about a mutation of SL as we know it, or turning it into one application of the open architecture that you propose ?
Elle Pollack: Shh, he's in speech mode
Tao Takashi: problem is probably not the amount of volunteers but how to handle them
Philip Linden: Yes I think that if we can let everyone that wants to work on the SL code... that would be an army.
Baba Yamamoto: Millions of servers, because that's what it takes to make the interent worth visiting
otakup0pe Neumann: or just act as ICANN with regards to distribution ?
otakup0pe Neumann: that is a largely solved problem Tao
Mera Pixel: speaking of volunteer....*cough*
otakup0pe Neumann: "largely"
Philip Linden: Probably the biggest open project ever.
Baba Yamamoto: Philip, do you plan to impliment client services like secured vendor accounts for those worried about pay scams going on on their land?
otakup0pe Neumann: linux seems to work pretty well. but you are right phillip this would rival linux
Newfie Pendragon puts on his hip waders
Jamie David: 7:15 and I got to got to bed. I missed out on so much. Please can we have a transcript. Be well all. and Happy Birthday to one and all. May the party never end
Philip Linden: Hmmm... that is a good q baba but I don't quite understand the nature of the scams.
Baba Yamamoto: Perhaps a system where payments to an unverified object or person would result in a frightening warning
William Niangao: the nature of creativity to create WITHIN SL... I could see that easily flowing out to creating SL itself. so many untapped minds and talents abound here.
Philip Linden: Ah yes I see.
Philip Linden: That is a good point.... we are going to need to add more warnings there probably.
You: We don't need any special services Baba they just need a police blotter account and a bannnig for those doing such scams
otakup0pe Neumann: there wil lalways be miscreants
Philip Linden: that will work too prok
You: Would you consider publishing the names of perpetrators and the names of those who abuse report and the names of prosecuting Lindens, Philip?
Philip Linden: but at larger scale those will need to be local banlists I think.
Kithrak Kirkorian: whoa
Neelena Benavente: the more we know, the more social pressure can be applied against griefers
Clopin Mendicant: With local you mean sims?
You: but Phliip there's no such thing a s a local ban list, people share them and there will be hundreds of servers locked to some people arbitarily on a whim
Jamie David: HUH?
You: will there be recourse and justice?
Baba Yamamoto: Banning people doesnt stop new people from doing the same thing... https and security certs are the only way to pay online...
Philip Linden: Well prok I think many folks are already working on user ban systems,
You: I don't want third-party sites scraping all my business and personal data Baba
Baba Yamamoto: second life needs to impliment secure pay,ment gateways
Anne Noonan: Will there ever be a proper concept of "company" within SL. I.e. company money accounts, etc, etc.
Philip Linden: so we really won't have much choice regarding shared restrictive lists.
Philip Linden: As with black hole email lists on the net,
You: yes Philip I know, they use them on me on a whim : )
Foolish Frost: You mean, like the ban and spam lists that already exist across the net? Nothing can be done about that, Prok. It's a part of the problem with mass-communication.
otakup0pe Neumann: you could spend years on ACL's and never get them right
Mera Pixel: Thank you for your time, Philip. I hope you like the party here.
Philip Linden: we will rely on the effectiveness of the list managers in advertising their policies
ryan00 Odets: prok there is many systems in effect but they arent as reliable as they need to be so, Philip how can LL in effect help control those lists?
Sabrina Bellambi: Hi Shawk
Baba Yamamoto: third party sites? i'm suggesting the land tools offer an area where approved vendors may be registered
Philip Linden: I'm not sure how we can help. But open to suggestions.
You: Oh, and BTW, many Kings issue pardons on the national holiday, can you unpermaban me, especially now that making an alt is child's play?
Philip Linden: permaban?
Foolish Frost: The forums, Philip.
Jamie David: Just like the offers I get for Protection? Hire me and you will not be griefed. Is that a prommis or a threat?
Baba Yamamoto: that would be nice Prok... i would like to see you back ;0
You: I'm permabanned from the forums, remeber? lol
katykiwi Moonflower: prok should be allowed on the forums
milady Guillaume: lol prok
Shawk Pertwee: hi Sabrina
Dash Curry: Philip, since so many of us missed a lot, will there be a place we can get the main points of the discussions?
Philip Linden: The data rate of the forums in now greatly beyond my ability to follow.
Jeska Linden: I'm going to try to piece together a log and post to the forums.
Foolish Frost: Dash: They alwasy post the transcript afterwards.
Philip Linden: Dash I will post my notes.
Hiro Pendragon: End the forums!
Dash Curry: OK, thanks.
Hermia Linden: May I just say how much better dressed you are today, Philip? This makes me optimistic.
You: Perhaps you could updaet your personal blog
Clopin Mendicant: thx Jeska
Philip Linden: Thanks hermia :)
Hiro Pendragon: make forums feedback to LL only.
You: Hermia, he's wearing RL clothes, the thrill is gone : (
Hermia Linden: :o)
otakup0pe Neumann: heh.
Elle Pollack thinks she should change that "better dressed" thing >:)
Philip Linden: Yes I'll put some notes into my blog.
Mr Mason: yes, the day philip took off the chaps is the day I rejoice.
Cereal Milk: I think my laptop is aboutto catch fire
Lopayza Moonlight: Despite the tone of the forums, I find them useful as they are.
property Resistance: Have a great night all and happy birthday again! Good luck with the next step in the busines model, Philip :)
Sabrina Bellambi: you know you're trying to walk through the base of the building?
Philip Linden: Well happy birthday to everyone.
ryan00 Odets: There is a system that relies on entries from a main person but you can be placed on teh list just because the person thinks your griefing them, so that isnt a very effective measure but a good start
Mad Wombat: happy birthday :)
Dash Curry: I'm sure this was covered, but what was the call on Accountability for Access to SL? Going back to Credit-card? I couldn't get back in...
otakup0pe Neumann: i likhappy birtyhday to you eh
Philip Linden: I hope that we can all remember these wild days!
Zoe Llewelyn: Happy Birthday, Phillip, and thank you for the past two wonderful years here.
Dash Curry: Due to a Griefer who wasn't accountable for his account.
Anne Noonan: bappy hirthday!
Will Webb: happy bday
Cereal Milk: I hope this spinning chair doesn't cross a sim
Neelena Benavente: yes, Happy Birthday to SecondLife!
Philip Linden: When this is all recorded in history!
Harris Hare: Congrats on 3 years, Philip and the rest of the Lindens.
nand Nerd: Happy Birthday Philip and many more to come!
You: Yes, thank you for a second life!
Osprey Therian: Thank you, Philip - thank you for having such a huge dream :D
Jeska Linden: Thanks everyone for your patience today and Happy birthday :)
Dash Curry: Happy birthday!
Hermia Linden: Thank you Philip and everybody
Cereal Milk: it's coming perilously close
Clopin Mendicant: congrats :)
Lopayza Moonlight: Thank you for making this world we can play in, despite the growing pains.
Philip Linden: Happy third birthday Second Life. I drink to you and to everyone!
Jesse Linden: Happy Bday
Eggy Flan: Happy Birthday Philip - thanks for all you've made
Hermia Linden: Are you buying?
otakup0pe Neumann: haha you drinking at th pfoffice phillip
You: lol
Ashlee Switchblade is online
Fizik Baskerville: Happy birthday :)
William Niangao: so, other than ban lists, are there any current plans to improve the use of flexis? Without collision detection or a force XYZ aligned to avatar, they're very limited in their usage.
nand Nerd's eyes widen: Who brought beer?
Multi Gadget v1.45.4 by Timeless Prototype
Philip Linden: Take care all. I'm going to need to go.
Will Webb: i think they just spilled beer on the asset server during the bday party
Iris Claveau shouts: Cheers to Philip!! and to SL!! on a job well done!!
Virtual Commons: Thank you Philip! And happy birthday SL
Mad Wombat: bye, take care
Frans Charming: Congratulations Philip!
otakup0pe Neumann: that's what i suspected will
Hermia Linden: Bye bye O Leader
Kithrak Kirkorian: Bye Philip
Harris Hare: Thanks for coming, Philip.
You: 100 years, sto let!
Philip Linden: Bye!
nand Nerd: Bye Philip, take care
Jamie David: Sadly I learnt nothing But it was a hoot.
Lopayza Moonlight: Take care, Philip.
Frans Charming: Take care.
Osprey Therian: Goodbye, El Presidente
Gwyneth Llewelyn: bye :)
Will Webb: cya Phil
Elle Pollack: Philip, someone older than I am told me you once went around the grid in a Sailor Moon costume :)
William Niangao: be well phillip
Mad Wombat: where is governor linden
Will Webb: yeah, where's the gov
Millie Thompson: lol
Harris Hare: I think this is more of a celebration than a town hall, Jamie.
You: He doesn't exist.
Dash Curry: Goodbye.
otakup0pe Neumann: drunk !
ryan00 Odets: damn it
ryan00 Odets: HAhaha
Will Webb: she
Will Webb: and she comes online for the bdays
Mad Wombat: i need her bear :D
You: ok she doesn't exist then
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And Gov Linden is indeed a she.
You: really???
Frans Charming: yup
Will Webb: it's tradition
You: where?
Elle Pollack: Doh. Idnd't get to give him a "present">:)
You: oh you're making that up!
Dash Curry: OK.. So what was the upshot of the whole prop 1503 - 1523 THing? Did he address it?
Newfie Pendragon: Gov. Linden's been a 'she' since 1.0
You: Not directly no
Newfie Pendragon: well that's what the rumours are
Mad Wombat: the gov is the true goddess of second life
Elle Pollack: Dash, at the begining.
You: gosh shows you what a newbie I am Newfie, who knew?
Will Webb: so, any linden here know when we can expect the governor ?
You: Well Gov Linden talks to me sometimes
Frans Charming: lol
You: after hours
You: he/she tells me stuff
Osprey Therian: She was at the last birthday
Sansarya Caligari: lol
Newfie Pendragon: I live next to the mansion, I hava a telescope pointed into her bedroom window
Frans Charming: Gov, is just a work account, not one rl person.
Phoenix Psaltery: Does she slap you and tell you to behave, Prok?
You: she said she was saddened by my failure to believe in her existence
You: no she's real
otakup0pe Neumann: hahaha
You: she talks to me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Prok :)
Dedric Mauriac: hey, keep it PG
Sansarya Caligari: hahaha
Will Webb: check the history wiki, the gov account comes online for the bday
Mad Wombat: Frans, stop spoiling the fun
Hermia Linden: Got a call for help. Got to go. Take care folks!
You: in fact she told me group tool reform is coming very soon
You: like, any wekk now
Virtual Commons: Does anyone happen to know if Robin L is still speaking today?
Osprey Therian: Bye Hermia!
Lopayza Moonlight: Take care, Hermia
Phoenix Psaltery: Oh, like that's news...
Mad Wombat: bye hermia
Jonas Pierterson: good luck hermia
Frans Charming: No.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Virtual: no, sadly she isn't.
Osprey Therian: Must be so late for you.
Anne Noonan: Bye Hermia
Frans Charming: Bye Hermia, take care
Harris Hare: Thanks for referring Hermia.
You: oh, like where's your seense of humour?
Tozzi Antonelli: Hey guys, are their currently any major brands in SL?
Rhiannon Chatnoir: lol.. i know.. i little did i know we would be earing the same shirt.. :P good choice phillip
Jonas Pierterson: rl brands or sl brands?
Tozzi Antonelli: RL brands
Mad Wombat: Warner brothers
Newfie Pendragon: legal brands, or the bootleg copies? :P
Alazarin Mondrian: BBC
Neelena Benavente: Wells Fargo
otakup0pe Neumann: BBC i've heard
Jonas Pierterson: amaerican something I think
Gwyneth Llewelyn: MTV
Virtual Commons: Gwyneth, ty - thats a shame. Not sure if I could have stood around for that much more 2 fps anyway though. :-)
Miel Maginot: SL is doomed. 3D web will not work, there's no point in it
otakup0pe Neumann: wait. wells fargo ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Microsoft
Tozzi Antonelli: American Appearal
otakup0pe Neumann: miel : not with that attitude
Alazarin Mondrian: i dunno... i'm so lagged out i can't follow anything
Rhiannon Chatnoir: American Apparel.. the make of the shirt i have on.. they have a shop now in world
You: Could someone verify that this very build is 512 textures and not 1024 laggier textures?
Hiro Pendragon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfV1DrrY2r4
Hiro Pendragon: machinima footage from the protest earlier.
Frans Charming: Mera?
Midtown Bienenstich: Protest?
Midtown Bienenstich: on what
Hiro Pendragon: About the registration changes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Allegedly, Victoria's Secret, but that might be just a rumour...
Jonas Pierterson: its worse than that because of the rotation prok
Elle Pollack: Prok, the stage was rotating and flahsing colors before you got here, I wouldn't make any good assumptions about it ;p
Hiro Pendragon: Victor is Victoria's Secret.
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yeah.. the rotation kills this
Miel Maginot: There is just no demand for a 3D web viewer. It's too high bandwidth and has no added value
otakup0pe Neumann: looks pretty though !
otakup0pe Neumann: miel : yet there is "demand" for a 3d immersive experience ?
Tozzi Antonelli: thats a good amount of brands
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Which Victor would that be, Hiro? ;)
Alazarin Mondrian: the registration changes are a lawsuit waiting to happen
Miel Maginot: yes
otakup0pe Neumann: there is equally as much demand for a 3d web browser
Lopayza Moonlight: I dunno. I can show off things in here I can't on my web page.
Hiro Pendragon: Victoria, Gwynb
otakup0pe Neumann: that being said, there are issues to be ironed out
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, so which Victoria would that be?
Hiro Pendragon: Victor
Frans Charming: Miel, if that is true, why are you here?
Hiro Pendragon: Victoria is a man.
otakup0pe Neumann: but opening would probably help with that
Frans Charming: Must be something that keeps you here.
Midtown Bienenstich: what is prop 1503/1523
Tozzi Antonelli: Lag is really bad here, will Linden Labs ever fix that problem?
Midtown Bienenstich: Of course, Frans.. she is "entertained"
Tozzi Antonelli: Or is this just the norm
Will Webb: for this many avs
Will Webb: it's not bad
Mr Mason: I'm am getting very little lag even right now.
Millie Thompson: Lag is a problem that will exist for all online games.
Phoenix Psaltery: it's because so many ppl are here
Mad Wombat: just wait until the pentium 10000 comes out :D
Will Webb: 1.2 fps here
Mr Mason: lag is usually client side, not LL side
Mad Wombat: then it wont lag anymore
Rhiannon Chatnoir: i am not even able to render all avs on screen.. people pop in and out
Tozzi Antonelli: yea 2 fps
ryan00 Odets: LAG LAG LAG
ryan00 Odets: hah my LAG LAG LAG left when philip left hmmm.........
Zoe Llewelyn: You are experiencing graphics lag. Its on your system due to too many avatars in one area being renedered by your video card. Not at LL
otakup0pe Neumann: i'm under no other impression thant my lag is at my end
otakup0pe Neumann: it's a beefy game
Skye McArdle: speaking of lag and texture sizes, would a vid card with 512 be better than one slightly faster with 256?
Will Webb: yeah, purely client based
Midtown Bienenstich: Lag will end when the whole world converts to uber leet and fast connections and cable distribution.
ryan00 Odets: im very dorry stupid gesture
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You're confusing me, Hiro, there are over a 100 victorias in SL ;) hehe
Will Webb: no it wont
Will Webb: content will bloat to match
Rhiannon Chatnoir: yes, like any large function.. all you can do is turn down settings
otakup0pe Neumann: shiny things grow to fit the hardware
ryan00 Odets: nah cabel connections arent as reliable
You: I turned down settings but this is the l aggiest I have ever seen it
Tozzi Antonelli: Ok, so my next question: What are brands doing to improve the world for SL residents?
You: it's not just that there are lots of avs, we get that all the time
Jonas Pierterson: aside form some movement jumps, Im just a little slower than normal, and my computer sucks
Frans Charming: it's lagtastic
otakup0pe Neumann: define brands
Tozzi Antonelli: Or is it just advertising ploys
Midtown Bienenstich: lol Frans.
Dnate Mars: I am still getting 7FPS, that is not bad
You: it feels to me like there are just way too many builds,k prims, scripts, textures
Tozzi Antonelli: Brands are real world companies
Midtown Bienenstich: Comcast commericials are creepy though
Mad Wombat: 5.6 here
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Tozzi: explain "improve" and why should companies "improve" SL.
Frans Charming: lucky you Dnate.
Zoe Llewelyn: That's because ytour client is trying to render 4 times as many avatars as can usually be seen in one spot.
Alazarin Mondrian: LL refuses to do any ID verification on signup and Phil's showcase speech gets crashed twice...... not a coincidence
You: I'm getting a Lee-Linden-socialist-perfect 45 FPS
You: of course -- at what expense???
Dash Curry: Well, gang.. what hasn't been frustrating was at least educational.
Dnate Mars: I have everything turn to the lowest setting, but I guess it could be worse :)
Dash Curry: Democracy flops again.
Midtown Bienenstich: Did Philip talk already?
Mad Wombat: lol
Alazarin Mondrian: been and gone
Zoe Llewelyn: Yes Midtown
Jonas Pierterson: unrortunately yes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Midtown — yes, for about 2 hours :)
Jonas Pierterson: bt nothing of substance
You: yes he said "zhit' stalo luchshe, zhit' stalo veselee"
Kithrak Kirkorian: 6 fps on max details, bring em on!
Midtown Bienenstich: then why are we all here.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, I wouldn't say that, Jonas.
Elle Pollack: I gained several FPS (from 1 to 7ish) mostly by turning down avatar rendering sliders
Zoe Llewelyn: I heard a fair bit of substance Jonas...it just wasn't what YOU wanted to hear is all.
Osprey Therian: 15 fps!
Osprey Therian: w0t!
You: gosh I ahve 45 FPS thanks to sim socialism
Virtual Commons agrees.
Midtown Bienenstich is only here because of the uberly high concentration of green dots on the Map
You: but of course no script works and I can barely type
Cecily Dulce: Hello Jonas
Alec Carson: he also said "budet eshe luchshe"
Jonas Pierterson: hi cecily
Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least next week you'll get a way to validate through LSLwho is "verified" avatars, and who isn't.
Virtual Commons: The open source stuff, if/when it comes to pass will be amazing
Rik Riel: sorry
Cecily Dulce: I hope you don't mine me coming to you
otakup0pe Neumann: that's a step in the right direction gwyneth
Cecily Dulce: mind even
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe Virtual — you'll have to wait a few years yet ;)
Alazarin Mondrian: i hope LL has good lawyers.. they're gonna need them when 'concerned parents' find their little darlings in XXX mature zones
Jonas Pierterson: Im ok, its just laggy here
otakup0pe Neumann: as long as you can verify through other than SMS / CC / PayPal
Mad Wombat: oh, gotta water my FUF tree. bye guys
Skye McArdle: lol, I've got 2.8 fps, but my vid card is a crappy pci radeon 9250 :/
Frans Charming: What is your client fps Prok?
Osprey Therian: Bye, fellow residents!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would guess so, otaku — phone validation, ID validation, etc
Virtual Commons: Gwyneth - I'm patient, took a few years for the web as I remember too. :-)
Alazarin Mondrian: hiyas HIro
Midtown Bienenstich: There's other way than SMS/CC/ PayPal?
Zoe Llewelyn: Concerned parents aren't to concerned if they don't know what their kid is accessing an adults only system
Frans Charming: Bye Osprey!
otakup0pe Neumann: mail validation
Multi Gadget v1.45.4 by Timeless Prototype
Cecily Dulce: I IMed you.. but you didn't respond.. so I came looking
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Indeed, Virtual!
otakup0pe Neumann: look at the ways that paypal does verification
Gwyneth Llewelyn: mail validation?!
otakup0pe Neumann: you =can= verify by snail mail
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Snail mail, yes.
Midtown Bienenstich: really?
Hiro Pendragon: Freedom of Speech does not include the ability to slander, Prok. --- and I have you on mute :)
Midtown Bienenstich: who signs?
aEo Epod v7: With the compliments of 'aEoLuS Computer Store'
Steve Buscemi: GRRRRrrrrrr!
Midtown Bienenstich: and how is signature compared?
otakup0pe Neumann: it's not signed at all
Gwyneth Llewelyn: you send your ID and a statement :)
otakup0pe Neumann: they mail you out a 8 digit code
otakup0pe Neumann: and you put it in on the website
otakup0pe Neumann: sure, it's spoofable
otakup0pe Neumann: but so are basicalyl all methods
otakup0pe Neumann: i don't think they send to Po boxes though
Midtown Bienenstich: ID and a statement?
Baba Yamamoto: well I'm glad philip said it because I've been saying it for over 2 yaers now ;0 SL must be built on open standards and eventually become open source.. the clients and server are a gateway to content and interaction. without a sturdy system it won't last
Gwyneth Llewelyn: *everything* is spoofable, except for showing up at LL and giving a DNA test :P
Alazarin Mondrian: Sociolotron has a 21+ admissions policy and they're pretty strict about it. OK, LL doesn't need to be that tough, but some safeguards make very good sense
Jonas Pierterson: still upset from last night
Midtown Bienenstich: Gwyn, Can you say "phuck this, I'm heading to There"
Virtual Commons: And not just as an end in itself. The more portability we get, the less we have to worry about what we would lose if LL were no more.
otakup0pe Neumann: hey hey. stay away from my DNA
You: I went to try WOW today
otakup0pe Neumann: wait. me or my AV ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh, pfft, Midtown — enjoy There while you can :)
otakup0pe Neumann: haha prokofy
Baba Yamamoto: How did you like that Prokofy?
Midtown Bienenstich: :D
Zoe Llewelyn: Kids can get past almost any non-face to face verification system there is IF they have parents that don't care to monitor them. Its the parents that are at fault not LL. And yes I am a parents of a teen.
Sansarya Caligari: how did that go Prok?
You: I killed some boars and got bored, it sucks
Baba Yamamoto: That's what I think
Sansarya Caligari: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zoe: how true, cousin :)
You: it's all killing stuff even if you chose like priest healer blah blah
Cecily Dulce nods,"I've been worried about you."
Elle Pollack: Sounds like me in that kind of game, Prokofy
Kyevan Thurston: GAH! If this was an slower I would thin that my packets wer being hand-checked n China!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: WoW is a shoot-'em'-up on steroids ;)
Frans Charming: Babam philip has been saying it for a while, now.
Neelena Benavente: is There.com going away?
Baba Yamamoto: that's because the game is task oriented... kill this get that
Rhiannon Chatnoir: bye Osprey!
You: I can't tell the NPCs from the real people it's awful
Hiro Pendragon: Neelena - that's the rumor.
Elle Pollack: Steroids and initiave rolls
Midtown Bienenstich: WoW sucks.
You: well SL is the same way
Sansarya Caligari: WoW is good for getting out aggression :)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Eventually, Neelena — as well as TSO — they will last while they're profitable.
You: kill this get that
Virtual Commons: yy - I'm hoping registration is going to be a short-term issue
Dnate Mars: I don't think There will ever go away
Neelena Benavente: i beliee it; they havent been able to get their platform stable afaik
Midtown Bienenstich: MMORPG's are naturally boring.
Zoe Llewelyn: In over 25 years o gaming...WoW was the most boring I ever played.
Midtown Bienenstich: They set the limit to your potential
Virtual Commons: Dnate - should have gone away a long time ago, and everyone moved here. :-)
You: it's very shallow as a world
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Dnate: not while they have 60k paying users, no.
You: it's just all these people chasing boars
Midtown Bienenstich: lol Prok
Hiro Pendragon: 60k paying users on There? I doubt it.
You: well I tried to fly around -- you can't fly!
You: imagine a game where you can't fly!
Virtual Commons: Prokofy - agreed!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, prokofy — but almost 7 million people chasing boars, all dutifully paying their US$ every month ;)
Midtown Bienenstich: :O
Baba Yamamoto: I don't kill things in SL though ;0
Dnate Mars: isn't There free?
You: well the only reason I joined was to be able to debate the eggheads on Terra Nova who set great store by these games
Baba Yamamoto: For me Second Life is a game of convince the lindens to implement my grand plan for teh metaverse
You: I did collect some broken fangs from some kind of long-toothed entity
Zoe Llewelyn: There is free unless you want to buy anything in game
Virtual Commons: Dnate - very easy to spend Therebucks, even easier than L$
Patrick Witherspoon is offline
Dnate Mars: ah, yes
Zoe Llewelyn: Then you buy There Bucks like buying Lindens here
Patrick Witherspoon is online
Serenitee Bliss is online
Virtual Commons: Zoe :-)
Dnate Mars: but they have working buggies there
Hiro Pendragon: Except There prints money on demand
Midtown Bienenstich: No economy?
Midtown Bienenstich: BOO!
Dnate Mars: there is
Zoe Llewelyn: Yes and inflation is HUGE. A basic items costs tens of thousands of Therebucks
Alazarin Mondrian: so the there economy is an illusion?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: there is, of course.
Dnate Mars: the sinks are much much larger
Midtown Bienenstich: Coke?
Dnate Mars: there are no free things in there
Jessica Ornitz is offline
Virtual Commons: Midtown - yes, but without real building and scripting (ownership) I don't think it amounts to much
Midtown Bienenstich: 12,292 Therebucks?
You: well I have an idea for the birthday we're going to do later everybody, everyone bring a prim cube and we're going to stack them up and make a pyramid in Solar Plaza
Zoe Llewelyn: Basically Midtown
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Between There and IMVU, I'd bet on IMVU, though. Half the age of SL, and it has over 100k items for sale
Alazarin Mondrian: no furry av's in There... so i stay here
Neelena Benavente: i agree; you dont own your IP there
Neelena Benavente: in There
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, SL has over 30 million, but....
Virtual Commons: lol
Frans Charming: imvu has potentional.
Midtown Bienenstich: I think SL needs a bigger population.
Gaius Goodliffe: IMVU?
Midtown Bienenstich wants Mass Transit Lines.
You: Philip talked about millions of servers, I wonder how they will keep them working
Dnate Mars: I think anshe deals in IMVU
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Midtown: Philip told us today he's aiming for 250-300 *million* users ;)
You: He ducked the question about player government too
Frans Charming: she does, dnate
Midtown Bienenstich: WHAT :O
Gwyneth Llewelyn: prokofy: not Linden Lab. Partners.

Comments

[Stan Pomeray]

I'm not entirely sure that I subscribe to the "end the forums" theory.

I really struggle with the concept of new SL players reading the forums and running away in horror at all the "nasty people" saying rude things. I really don't think your average computer gamer (or even your average online "things" user) is that emotionally unstable!

And yes, of course, there is a heck of a lot of crap spoken in the forums, but surely the best way to deal with that is either (a) ignore it, or (b) challenge it, explaining WHY it is crap. If it really is such a pile of crap, everyone will realise this and it will get the contempt it deserves.

Doing away with the forums because some people say horrible things in them really is a bit extreme. Where do we propose to draw the line? Can we expect lists of "acceptable opinions for use in-world" to be passed out next?

[Cocoanut]

Well, I actually read this whole transcript.

But what struck me was at the beginning, where Philip says:

"Philip Linden: and because we knew that it had to be fun and playful, at first, to get started."

hahahahaha this SO validates what I've been saying.

A year ago February, I came in expecting something fun.

I couldn't figure out why the Lindens were always such sadists and their supporters, such masochists.

Then I realized that anything fun was just to get us in here and hooked, and to get the ball rolling.

Once they had enough of us, who were invested in SL, they could then effect the divorce (except they would still be collecting the money). In other words, for things to be grim was always actually the goal.

Anyway, here's my question:

Where is there a place in this new vision - you know, the one where the Lindens stop having responsibility for anything - for someone who wants to have a shop and make and sell houses?

I'm thinking that this all means I will have to start paying two people: The money I pay the Lindens, of course - the same as always or more. But also I would have to pay the person who runs the server I live on or whatever.

And at the same time, the rules I would have to abide by and agree to would be the rules of that individual I would now also be paying, in addition to what I pay LL.

Another comment: What I figured out a couple of days ago - that LL wants to pass the buck for underage players (along with the lawsuits) to us - turns out to actually be their plan.

Their lawyers are apparently certain that by hiding behind this
"We're the internet!" claim, they will be able to pull this off.

I don't think so, really. The media, the legal system, the people - just aren't all that stupid.

coco

[Prokofy Neva]

Yes, I noticed that, too, Coco, that he was hinting, essentially, that they made it fun and playful at first, but that the party was over now, and we had better throw away our rock t-shirts and flashing scripted crotched rock-star jeans, like he has, and put on plain, ordinary cardigans and pastel shirts so we can fit in better with the Future.

Yes, I think it was actually always the goal for "things to be grim," but their platformists and Makers and Creators of the fascistic bent in particular will go right along with them into this Bright Future -- which is why they feted them all along.

I imagine they want to pass the buck to adult content creators too, but I do ask the question about our real responsibility given that we are mere tenants.

[Brace]

philly has actually said that "gettem hooked first" thing several times - in many different ways.

The only difference being this time he's dropped the curtain on what comes after folks are already invested.

Again - looks like I got out just in time.

And a quick question - who or where or whatever is the best place to cash out my lindens?

[Prokofy Neva]

Brace, the other services like anshechung.com cost more now. You can compare IGE but they are often risky, I"ve had huge delays and problems with them. Unfortunately, LL is really the monopoly now. anshechung.com is very prompt in getting your money out to PayPal, however, that's the best thing about them, and the cost they show includes the fees, whereas you'll have to add them on to what you calculate from LL (at least that's what I'm recalling, check on that). AC gets your money out within 24 hours. LL can take 5 or more days, and they state that's what it takes.

[Aldo Stern]

I slogged through the whole thing as well--is it just me and my enfeebled attention span or do Phillip's comments come across as soemthing similar to what you get out of the animatronic Abe Lincoln at Disney World? At some point he did seem to be actually listening and responding but wit was with some kind of otherworldly sort of "oh dear...there are heeyoo-manns here" kind of reaction.

Ah well.

Don't suppose there's any point in my mentioning that for some time I've talking about this idea that SL is "not just a product in transition, it is a transitional product.

I've come to enjoy thinking of Phillip as essentially a character played by Robert Preston--though I'm still not sure whether its Preston as the classic Harold Hill, or as that alien in his last film, recruiting gifted but naieve kids to be starpilots through a video arcade game.

Which isn't to say I'm not going to hang on and see where this particular Nantucket sleigh ride is going. On the contrary--at the same time, even as it seems to get stranger and stranger, I keep thinking it becomes even more of an adventure. Especially as I think the whaling metaphor has some potential--yes, the whale is pulling us along and may sound at any moment, taking us with her, but there is also the possiblity that we'll eventually get her back to the Pequod and come out ahead on the deal.

Hmmm...now I've forced myself into thinking about Phillip as played by Gregory Peck with an oaken prothesis...not sure how healthy that is.

But seriously..this is getting more and more intriguing and I wouldn't mind being there to see if the Captain gets his white whale.

[Prokofy Neva]

>do Phillip's comments come across as soemthing similar to what you get out of the animatronic Abe Lincoln at Disney World?

ROFLMAO gah thanks for making me choke on my Diet Coke!

>At some point he did seem to be actually listening and responding

My favourite, obviously, was when he said, "Permaban?" as if he had NO IDEA what I was talking about and when Foolish Frost then added gently, "The forums," he said he "couldn't keep up with the data" ROFL.

You know, I was going with the Robert Preston thing for the longest time...then I happened to notice (or maybe he just put it in?) that in his profile, Philip has a picture of himself smoking a cig with a Willy Wonka quote (which is actually Shakespeare as you may know, and he may not lol). That is, he credits WW and not WS.
The quote is: ""So shines a good deed in a weary world". I'm fairly certain it was recently added but Philip-watchers can correct me.

So...he does believe he is doing good. That's the explanation often given for...oh never mind. I'm too weary.

As for whales, I'm thinking it's more like that scene with Spencer Tracy? You know the one? Where he's in the water, and his legs are already chopped off? And he's still trying to remain cheerful for the boy? Not "The Old Man and the Sea." Damn. Oh..."Captains Courageous," there it is:

"Now listen to me, leetle feesh. I go now...We had good times together, eh, leetle feesh? We laugh. We sing. So you smile...Manuel - he be watching you. You be best fisherman ever lived."

[Cocoanut]

that scene - lol, Prok!

coco

[Brace]

ty for the tips on cashin out - I'm not in any particular rush, so I'll guess I'll got the LL way and save on some Anshe fees *shrugs* or do a lil bit of both.
_____

OMG I SO forgot about that blank look and weird comment philly made after you asked him to lift yer permaban - I'm tellin ya all that hash brownie chompin and herb smokin reeely fucks with yer memory LOLOL!

And WHAT was with that "couldn't keep up with the data" thing roflmao I SWEAR he has a Stock Phrases When Stumped Book or somethin hehehe

wooooo! total crackkup - but still I wish he'd as LEAST had said: well ok so I forgot - bann lifted! Jeska, Robin - SOMEone - make it happen! *fingersnap*

But then that would be something totally awesome, and well SL and LL aren't in the biznizz of doing totally awesome anymore.