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06/16/2006

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Max Case

I don't normally do this, but since you made threat of posting your twisted version to blog to slander me, I kept the log - I thought people might find the source text interesting.
For the insterested, this was conduction via IMs being forwarded to my emails, so the clean up is a bit rough.
Prokofy Neva:

Hi, I've come to your store twice now trying to find the thing that enables you to register a sim to see if it has neighbours or not, and I can't find it, and I don't to ride elevators up and down -- where is this gadget?

Max Case:
Hi Prok. if you follow the link from the page neighbours.maxcase.info it will highlight it on the map. It's by the big statue to my glory :)


Prokofy Neva:

Um, what other data do you scrape off people and sims while you are collecting this information merely about their neighbours? And...how can we tell anyway hahahah?

Max Case:
:) all your conversations are belong to us
j/k. we can chat inworld. but really, i just keep track who sub what for leaderboard, and sim coords.


Prokofy Neva:

I have no way of checking that, of course, and I don't think that putting prims all over the world on other people's land, or even enacting scripts on their sims, is necessarily a legitimate exercise, I'd have to think about it.

Max Case:
Huh? Who is putting prims on peoples land? It's meant to be worn! Once again, you let your paranoia get the better of you.


Prokofy Neva:

No, I didn't say that, and I'm not paranoic, I'm legitimately demanding accountability from those who take data.


Prokofy Neva:

If your system does not require little networked prims across sims on little parcels, or the temp-on-rez of prims like other scripted programs do that gather data, like the land scanners, well, great! But how can I know that? You have no expalanation of


Prokofy Neva:

how your system works for the general public


Prokofy Neva:

I did follow the SLURL precisely


Prokofy Neva:

I went there twice, i found various gadgets and an elevator


Prokofy Neva:

In world you don't


Prokofy Neva:

you can't even find the stupid thing at your store where you claim it is

Prokofy Neva:

And duh, I got that it is meant to be worn, and reported on 4 sims, jesus, do you think I'm stupid?


Prokofy Neva:

you need to learn the difference between stupidity and a demand for accountability


Prokofy Neva:

you don't have any explanation, inworld, or the thing itself, you claim can be picked up -- I went to your store twice


Prokofy Neva:

jsut do basic custmoer service and stop being an ass

Max Case:
Actually, if you follow the link to it, it's right there. I never claimed it was in store area. If you got it properly, you would have had the notecard that goes with it. But I believe on first rez, it mentions the website to go to

Max Case:
But you're not even a customer. It's just a free service. You are the one being a posterior about it.


Prokofy Neva:

Um, if it isn't in the store area, then...put it there maybe? because...how can anyone guess where it is lol?


Prokofy Neva:

do you want people to report on sims or not?


Prokofy Neva:

put the thing out where the vector leads when you SLURL there duh


Prokofy Neva:

that's exactly what I did, I went not only on your picks, the second time I went on the SLURL from that link


Prokofy Neva:

you are impossible

2:42 pm (54 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

This is what is hilarious, your concept of "not even a customer"

2:42 pm (54 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

You are being an ass for pretending to engage in a public service for the public good and then not even putting the thing out

2:42 pm (54 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

at the place you land when yuo follow the SLURL duh

2:42 pm (53 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

please, is it so hard to put it there where you land in a little vendor or orb ? geez

2:43 pm (53 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

btw dumbass, the first time I went there, I actually bought some of your junk while looking for this damn things so actually I AM a customer
max case

to Prokofy
2:43 pm (52 minutes ago)
heheh

Max Case:
2:44 pm (52 minutes ago)
Look. Go to neighbours.maxcase.info In the About sidebar, there is link that takes you DIRECTLY to the machine that gives out registrators

Max Case:
2:45 pm(51 minutes ago)
I don't know which link you used, but maybe you used general Games 1 one. Of the 200 people who have picked one up, you are the first who couldn't find it. But I apologize if i was harsh.


Prokofy Neva:

your picks should have something that leads to a store, where it is, why is that so HARD to get???2:45 pm (51 minutes ago)


Prokofy Neva:

People do not look for it from the website often, but use picks which is the normal thing people do here
2:45 pm (51 minutes ago)


Prokofy Neva:

put it in your goddamn store linked on your picks, is that so HARD???
2:45 pm (51 minutes ago)


Prokofy Neva:

do you want people to use this or not?

Max Case:
2:47 pm(49 minutes ago)
I ran out of picks spaces


Prokofy Neva:

um, you have a picks space for the store, put the thing in the store2:49 pm (49 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

why is this rocket science???
Max Case:
2:51 pm(47 minutes ago)
Its not. You just cant stand someone doing things different :> But I will put out another dispensor over there - te 2 prims wont kill me. Though to be honest, I don' necessaily want tooo many people using it. or thats a lot of incoming emails.


Prokofy Neva:

yes, I understand, like most tekkie wikinistas, you hate customers!2:52 pm (46 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

gasp, imagine hating MORE information and MORE participation in a pubilc spirited thing like this *getting all kinds of media coverage*!!!!!!
2:52 pm (46 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

get a yahoo email then I guess
Max Case:
2:52 pm(46 minutes ago)
Not at all! And who's a wikinista?


Prokofy Neva:

You are, for being the second person to tell me I'm "not a customer" while putting out a thing in the public domain2:52 pm (46 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

this is worthy of a blog!
2:53 pm (46 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

Smile! you are on Second Thoughts : )
Max Case:
2:55 pm(44 minutes ago)
Yahoo account? Oh, were we talking in your capacity as reporter?


Prokofy Neva:

we aer when you tell me I'm "not a customer"2:55 pm (44 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

are you in the public eye or not?
Max Case:
2:57 pm (41 minutes ago)
Sigh. This is hard for me to follow. Yes, I am sorry, but really, you bring out the best in me!

Max Case:
2:58 pm(41 minutes ago)
Not really in public eye. But thats why I like talking to you - you make me feel important.


Prokofy Neva:

Yes, Max, you're used to heckling others at their events, sitting up like Buddha in the sky and making arrogant and nasty remarks, harassing them, and pranking them about what you aer doing, but hey, they never get to ask a thing of you, eh?2:58 pm (41 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

Um, that's why you're in all the blogs and articles with this project? please
2:58 pm (41 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

your friend Hamlet has made you a slebrity?
2:59 pm (40 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

think about what it means to tell someone, "you are not a customer," when you have put something out in the public domain "for the public good"
Max Case:
2:59 pm (40 minutes ago)
Huh? Of course you can. Many people do. And I have gmail acocunt - is that ok? max.case@gmail.com

Max Case:
3:01 pm(38 minutes ago)
Like i say - really, only you, cuz you act all arrogant. I hate that. We just have differing views I guess. And I object to your characterizaition, but whatever.

Prokofy Neva:

it reveals that it isn't realyl about thatMax Case:
3:03 pm(36 minutes ago)
But thanks for all your feedback. Send me a link when blogged.


Prokofy Neva:

No one else bothers to access your services who isn't in your immediate little tekkie circle so you dno't get a a flavour of it3:04 pm (36 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

telling someone they aren't a customer when they are, is wrong
3:04 pm (35 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

I'm not arrogant, you are, I asked for you to put the thing out in your store, and you give me nothing but back talk about tit
3:04 pm (35 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

do you WANT to sell stuff with loss leaders like this or NOT?
3:04 pm (35 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

do you genuinely want to help the public know what the Lindens are up to with these servers or NOT?
Max Case:
3:05 pm(35 minutes ago)
Yes. Fair enough. I was factually wrong. I noticed you also got a votemachine :> I was referring though specifically to the neighbours service. Not a customer in the traditional sense, though you could be a user


Prokofy Neva:

I'm a prosumer.Max Case:
3:07 pm(33 minutes ago)
Hehe. Cute comeback. The thing is, it's not a loss leader, and it's not about selling. This is my point - we are on 2 different wavelengths. I guess we really aren't soulmates.


Prokofy Neva:

um no, you got that right3:07 pm (32 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

and yes, you are performing a public service, so act like it, instead of treating SL as your person sandbox
Max Case:
3:09 pm(31 minutes ago)
Listen to you! you don't even hear it in your voice.


Prokofy Neva:

you can't even see it when it is front of you3:10 pm (30 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

Did it ever occur to you that the rest of Obscure might *not* enjoy looking at your giant Buddha statue?
3:10 pm (30 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

geez
3:10 pm (30 minutes ago)

Prokofy Neva:

you are so un-self-aware
Max Case:
3:11 pm(29 minutes ago)
ahh so this is about that!? now you are mixing apples and oranges.
No one has spoke about it to me.


Prokofy Neva:

No, it's an example of your lack of self-awareness even as you insist on putting things out in the public domain.

Max Case

conducted, not conduction

Prokofy Neva

I have a copy of the same transcript, Max, too, because it's an excellent example of this "you aren't my customer" crap that FlipperPA identically pushed in my face, after distributing freebies and then suddenly hiding behind the fact that if you got it for free, then you aren't a "customer". Hypocrisy.

And your "expose" here, which I never had time or inclination to publish, merely proves my point: you are stubborn and evasive, and refused to put out the Registration prim you so heavily advertised in the store that was first easily accessed on your "picks" on your profile, which is where people look when they struggle in vain to locate something -- because your other link takes you to some tower with an elevator with no signs and nothing clear about it.

As I said:

"your picks should have something that leads to a store, where it is, why is that so HARD to get???2"

And why the hell *is* that so hard to get? Why should a SLURL link on your third-party site, which not everyone will have accessed first, what you use to rely on getting the registration? Because SLURLs require the game to open, and often require you to keep clicking on the map.

Why the HELL is it so hard to put a link in your profile AND put it in your main store????

If you thought your publication of this transcript "exposes me" or "puts me in your place," the laughable thing is that it does it for you.

You can't even imagine that the rest of the world doesn't exactly enjoy having to see in their view day after day a giant -- and I mean giant, like the Buddhas of Bamiyaan! -- glaring white textured statue of yourself in a Buddha pose with spikey hair.

I mean, I don't know where to start with this, I really don't.

Let me point out several other things here that you're trying to do with this "expose"

1. You are completely ducking the main topic. Lee Linden says your system is flawed. It isn't showing what it purports to show, neighboured or stacked-up sims. They aren't really neighbours when you go check them out. What say you? Have you any defense against this charges that *your system doesn't work, your info is faulty*?

2. Is there any reason why this handy reg-o-thon can't be placed out in your main store with all your other products?

3. Do you or do you not place prims inworld on 16ms or other parcels and do you or do you not use scanner scripts to collect data? You're evading that question. It's legitimate, given the state of the discussion in SL about land scanners and land swoopers, people who use scanners that are sometimes known to lag sims, and people who temp rez or even per rez objects out on land, sometimes not even their own, using their "stations".

Yes or not? You evade that question completely. At least someone like Weedy admits to scanning, and then explains that she uses a less laggy scanner.

Everyone understands that the item you offer is a HUD, and HUDs don't take up prims, duh, and are a thing you wear -- the info comes from the avatar flying around, not from prims on land ostensibly. But...does this system or does it not depend on other prims deployed that work in concert with it? Why is that so hard to understand as a *legitimate question*?

Answer the questions.

Max Case

I answered this:
"But...does this system or does it not depend on other prims deployed that work in concert with it? "
already. the answer was no - it does not depends on other prims deployed. Sorry to dissapoint you :/
Always missing you,
Max.

Prokofy Neva

Then why are you deploying prims on little 16ms? LOL. You're missing the point too, sorry to "disappoint".

Um...could we get an answer on the simple issue of how what's newly displayed from a fresh HUD registration is not accurate? How it is *not* what is the case? Max Case? Could we get an answer on that?

Max Case

"Then why are you deploying prims on little 16ms? LOL. You're missing the point too, sorry to "disappoint"."

You referring to these?
http://www.maxcase.info/?s=perpetual&submit=GO
?

Prokofy Neva

Could you respond to the facts we've documented that your device does not show accurate information? Or do you need to keep distracting?

Ordinal Malaprop

Er, I was just going to say thank you for mentioning the tram system. As a technical note, it wouldn't *have* to use the web, but there are two advantages to doing so - firstly, if there's a problem with SL that means that trams just randomly vanish (which they do, sometimes three or more times a day, for no apparent reason) it seems like a better idea to keep tabs on that from *outside* SL... and secondly, I like to be able to watch trams going round Caledon from my desk at work, and make sure that everything is okay. I'm sure that other people might like to watch it as well, and then, hopefully, come to visit Caledon afterwards.

It is very much an adjunct to the world though. I am interested in using web tools to make SL better, not the other way around. I've been thinking of putting in other markers as well, showing particular attractions and events and businesses, so that people who were interested could dive back in... the tools to store and search information that I can use in a web application are *far* superior to anything in LSL... but I would want that to be just as accessible from in-world as from the web. HTML-on-a-prim will help there I expect.

Prokofy Neva

>Er, I was just going to say

Yes, I realize, even a compliment in my blog, such as it is, feels like something you'd rather not have, but for short and sweet little squibs, see Hamlet.

>Yes, I was wondering if it actually *depended* on the outside HTML connection, but in a way, having that visual representation that you can in a sense "remote control" from your RL work desk seems important.

And I love the idea of having more spots on the map that connect. Like stops on the trolley.

I wish Caledon had a yellow pages. The FIND list in SL isn't very good of course. You shuffle around on the back of people's PICKS and that doesn't have everything they sell.

It would be great if you had a thingie that you could type
"Machine, Perpetual Motion," and tp to that place in Caledon.

Making yellow pages is of course something that is being tried by 411sl.com and slhandbooks.com but I also think that if people in specific areas/communities can take this on, it will be better.

I like that you are thinking "what can the web do for SL" instead of "what can SL do for the web" which is the way most of it goes.

Ordinal Malaprop

That's pretty much the sort of thing that I've been looking at making. I played with people giving me landmarks that could go in a central box and people could search on words in the title... but if I have a database on the net, it can search much much faster and store all sorts of other information too. Somebody actually using it in-world wouldn't even notice the difference either - you touch a box, you say what you want, it searches for it and it gives you landmarks.

I think that just a central flip-book of landmarks would still be a good thing to have by the telehubs for now, though, as it will take some time to produce a more detailed system.

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