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07/25/2008

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ichabod Antfarm

Gareth,

It is disingenuous to cite OpenBSD as a counter example to Prok's assertion that open source is inefficient and amateur. Theo de Raadt has made the same criticism of the Linux community time and time again. You know that. The development regime of OpenBSD is utterly foreign to the accepted precepts of the movement known as Open Source. Yes, OpenBSD falls under the broad category of Open Source and its developers are staunch in their defense of source code availability and unfettered usability; however, as you know, they are the last group of people to accept that 'many eyes make all bugs shallow' or however the matra goes. Code audits by people who actually know what they are doing make some bugs shallow, make some bugs appear, make some bugs more easily solved, make some bugs die. The rest is ideology.

Gareth Nelson

"The development regime of OpenBSD is utterly foreign to the accepted precepts of the movement known as Open Source"

OpenBSD is just the BSD development model (the "cathedral" model) taken to the extreme in terms of security audits.

"Yes, OpenBSD falls under the broad category of Open Source and its developers are staunch in their defense of source code availability and unfettered usability;"

The OpenBSD team are some of the most absolutely insanely fanatically ideological developers i've ever seen. The results of their fanaticism include an OS that is widely considered to be the most secure on the planet. Other projects have similar excellent reputations, or have really bad reputations.

My point was that a piece of software being open source does not make it inefficient and amateurish. For the record, propritary software can also absolutely suck OR be absolutely amazing too. QNX comes to mind here in the operating systems space as an example of propritary software which is highly reliable, and windows comes to mind as being highly insecure and unreliable.

Gareth Nelson

"Theo de Raadt has made the same criticism of the Linux community time and time again"

Actually, his main criticism revolves around the Linux community's fanaticism for the GPL. The problem is, Theo himself has his own fanaticism about the BSD license. I'd say this is where most of the drama comes from, rather than from technical differences in the 2 projects. Theo actually goes way, way beyond most people in terms of his temper and yet still manages to be an incredibly talented developer - the kind of guy i'd trust to code almost anything, so long as I didn't need to get into any debates in the process.

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