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Desmond Shang

I don't know what a moodle is (magical poodle?), or what connectivism is, but I think those concepts belong here:


Prokofy Neva

I'm still waiting for someone to explain the meaningless thing called Semantic Web, which has some sort of big debate around it.

John Lopez

The Semantic Web is wishful thinking. It expects that people will put meaningful "tags" that define the content they are attached to.

The web has a great way to do so: "meta tags". Meta tags are ignored these days because they were used by scammers more than anyone else. (In other words, trusting the web content provider only works if there is not a financial incentive to lie.)

Prokofy Neva

My working hypothesis now is that tagging is retarded. I am saving the planet by severely limiting my tagging.

Clubside Granville

Desmond, Moodle is an open source educational product, essentially a PHP-based student and teacher courseware delivery system. It has a lot of features but an awful user interface and poor course delivery design. You can find books on it on amazon and will find it as an installable app on many web hosting packages that advertise "free applications". It is closest to Blackboard as it comes with no courseware and requires loads of impenetrable menu screens to accomplish simple tasks.

Prok, Tagging has its place, especially as a tool to classify information that doesn't neatly fit hierarchical methods. As I am adding tagging features to my application I am also supporting Taxonomy where it fits and allowing users to work their custom data as t best helps them slice it. Tagging allows a data developer to offer users a free-form method of organization as opposed to adding as many filters as you think might be appropriate yet don't fit a majority in real use. As you say, mileage will vary and many people tag so much as to render it useless.

I've followed these posts as they are amusing on a Scientology-train-wreck level.

Desmond Shang

Ah, so that's the idea. Well I wish them all luck with it. Just nothing I could ever get passionate about.

In my RL corporation, the business website is essentially a once-a-month line item that goes down as a marketing expense.

Might sound silly to mention, but... that's all it is. A marketing line item. Nothing to get worked up about, really, when viewed from sufficient distance - and yet some people spend their lives passionately discussing website structure and design.

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From offices near mine, I hear passionate discussions between other engineers echoing through the walls. They are in a different business, and in a different industry, but there's something about tech of all sorts that inspires the deepest passions in people.



Thought you may be interested in this article coming out of Australia:


Eyal Sivan

"A Network with no People in it," wouldn't be any kind any network.

Connectivism is not about the network alone, is about the nodes and the network together.

Neither of them can exist without the other. Irrespective of whether the nodes exist in some objective way, we can only perceive them in terms of their relationship to us (see Berkeley, Husserl).

Tagging has its place, for bottom-up free-form ontologies, exactly as Clubside described. They are good for some things, but not all things.

That is actually related to the major criticism of the Semantic Web: it assumes we can establish a universal, well-formed, top-down taxonomy for, well... everything. Many believe we cannot.

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