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11/03/2008

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Nebadon Izumi

oh yea and btw everyone OpenLifeGrid has played absolutly no role in developing OpenSimulator, if you think im lieing do some research and you will also find OpenLifeGrid was nothing more than a OpenSimulator User, not a developer, they have done ZERO DEVELOPMENT on opensimulator project. and now they forked into a new project and no longer run OpenSimulator and are no longer recognized as an opensimulator Grid by the OpenSIM team. join me in irc.freenode.net #opensim to get the truth.

Yumi Murakami

Why would what you can do on a sim on osgrid.org be relevant? Do your servers currently support single load sims with collision detection on the client?

Makon Bacon

Wow, Nebadon you are looking kinda like a prick here.

Jealousy issues much?

Ric Mollor

RE: The 45,000 prim issue.

Isn't the limitation caused by the physics engine? Virtual worlds that run physics on the client such as Active Worlds can pack *at least* 200,884,464 objects on *one* server. No, that is not a misprint, the number is over 200 million. And yes, I'm certain as am logged in to Active Worlds at the moment and reading the number directly off the object counter.

Considering the amount of times that server side physics is really important in SL perhaps it's time to consider a move away from running everything serverside. The fact that you can't walk through a wall matters little if you can alt-zoom through it, pick something on the other side, sit on it, and magically be there.

Yes, I know that doesn't include scripting and so on but 200 million vs 15 thousand? I'm certain that there would be quite a market for scriptless regions if they held nearly unlimited prims.

nebadon izumi

think of me what you will, it doesnt change a single fact about what i said, so if the best you can do is call me names, then you are only proving my point even further, all talk no action.

Osiris Indigo

"Like i said come to osgrid.org i will give you a server and you can prove it too me, i have never ever seen anyone get 45k prims into a simulator ever under any circumstance, you are both wrong and i will prove it to you and anyone who wishes to see it proven.. DONT TALK SHOW ME!! all you talkers need to shut up and do some work to prove your claims."


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ta2025/3007243590/

Do you want more? or is 45,400 enough? That took 17 minutes and no problems with 5-10 people watching over my shoulder..

Anyone can come to Bourbon Street @ OpenLifeGrid to see for themselves.

http://openlifegrid.com

No need for silly drama any more. We guarantee 45,000 prims - we deliver!

Prokofy Neva

"hey forked into a new project and no longer run OpenSimulator and are no longer recognized as an opensimulator Grid by the OpenSIM team."

Evil wreckers and splitters! Hiss!

Prokofy Neva

It's fun to argue about those prims, but one problem is, what can you put out there? There isn't any stuff. You'll have to build it yourself.

Macphisto Angelus

Mostly it is fun to laugh at Nebadon for being a fool. I hope his little hissy fit is doing something for his ego because it sure is making him look like an idiot. ;)

Gee, I wonder how truthful the rest of his claims are since this one was so obviously bunk.

lol silly Neb.

Ric Mollor

Just a confirmation that it does appear that there are 45,400 prims as described. Did not count them but the land stats show that number and the arrangement should make them trivial to count if someone desires.

I have no connection with the Openlife grid other than being an interested observer.

http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=45400primsyn9.png

none

First of all why is it that this article fails to mention the big fact that this is a BETA, say again BETA grid? That implies that not all the features are there yet. This article is very biased in a negative way.

As the owner of Bourbon Street and Mardi Gras regions in OLG, I personally invite each and everyone of you to come, visit, and see for yourselves. Do not believe the nay sayers here.

"OpenLifeGrid has played absolutly no role in developing OpenSimulator"

This is incorrect. Look at the list of OpenSim contributors on their website.

"Just a confirmation that it does appear that there are 45,400 prims as described."

As the owner of the region, I can attest and assure you that there were 45000+ prims.

Barker5

Sounds sad Nebadon. Why don't you go and build your own grid so others can bash your work. Grow up.

Prokofy Neva

uh, why are people selling land on a BETA repeat BETA grid? That's retarded. It should stay as a free sandbox until they are ready. But, they are selling sims. So, they get to be poked about not being ready. That's what beta is all about. I guarantee you these people never thought about what goes into actual rentals, group land, perms, TV deeding, etc. etc.

Gigs Taggart

Yeah, they all pretty much suck.

Part of it is OpenSim sucking and part of it is the people running the grid sucking.

Alternate grids are not yet a viable threat.

Mary Burgan

All of this would be easily understood if you were to understand a few points:

1) The software is alpha
2) The software is alpha
3) The software is alpha

The so called companies promoting open grids at the moment are losers. They won't make it because they don't understand business. They wanted to be the first to hop on board and be the next Linden and it won't work that way. I've said that to a few grids that sunk money into what they are doing. They are making mistakes they will never be able to recover from.

On the other hand, there are companies and individuals working with the OpenSimulator platform that will be a success in it's time. Maybe on a smaller scale than Linden, maybe on their own much smaller scale. But they certainly do not promote dragging SL users to OpenSimulator based grids.

On another thought, if the author of this blog, Mrs. Neva, were to sign up for my grid, they would find their name banned. We don't need technically uneducated people like the author explaining to a generic audience that the platform is not even close to being ready. And how poor things work.

I'm not sure what part of Alpha you do not understand, and I certainly cannot understand how you would be so gullible to purchase anything based on the OpenSimulator platform at this time. Those people won't even exist when real companies do something with OpenSimulator software and will be immediately outdated and history.

Terrible business ideas in the very least and shows no real business background for those who pushed opensimulator based grids for fees in the state the software is in.

It not only reflects the possible bad reputation, but also doesn't do the opensimulator.org software any good either.

Ciaran Laval

It wouldn't say a lot about the confidence you had in your own grid if you banned people like Prok just for voicing their concerns based on their own experience.

Mary Burgan

Ciaran Laval,

There is no voicing concerns based on their experience when the software is "Testing Software" only. Not to the point of posting so negatively about every item of her displeasure. If the person wants to ramble on about how bad something is, they can get off their duff and code a little c++ instead of complaining. That's how it works.

Opensimulator is a "base" for various ideas. It's an way to create your own virtual platform. You will be seeing simulators in the future that would never appear to even be opensimulator code. It's a multipurpose platform. Not a SL replacement for wannabe virtual land lords.

Gareth Nelson

"They forked into a new project and no longer run OpenSimulator and are no longer recognized as an opensimulator Grid by the OpenSIM team."

Wow, just wow - is your complaint the lack of source or simply the "oh no! they forked!" argument?
Need I remind the whole opensim team that they not only chose a license which allows binary-only redistribution but actively protested en masse conversion to a different license? If you're an opensim dev please make your mind up - either say "it's fine for people to fork, and even to refuse to share their changes" or say
"no binary-only modified versions please" and change the license to reflect this.

By the way, Mr Zaius was one of the first to provide binary-only simulator downloads, and he's also been the most fanatical in his dislike of the GPL - so if your problem is with openlifegrid not sharing code changes then ask the "almighty adam" about deepgrid.

Ciaran Laval

No Mary that's not how it works, you're completely full of shit. The customer is always right dear, until you learn that concept you've got not hope whatsoever of running a virtual world.

Ciaran Laval

No Mary that's not how it works, you're completely full of shit. The customer is always right dear, until you learn that concept you've got not hope whatsoever of running a virtual world.

Prokofy Neva

>On another thought, if the author of this blog, Mrs. Neva, were to sign up for my grid, they would find their name banned. We don't need technically uneducated people like the author explaining to a generic audience that the platform is not even close to being ready. And how poor things work.

Thanks for providing yet more hard evidence of one of my most popular theses: that opensource is in fact all about closed society. That it's about assholes taking power. That it is about elitist pseudo-scientific Bolsheviks allergic to criticism and deadly against any critics. Thanks, because it's not always an easy case to make, but you handily make it for me : )

As for all this in-fighting and factionalizing, also typical of grid communism *shrugs*.

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