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Miranda Sartre

Woodbury and Wrong Hands are/were not the same, but competing groups. You seem to use the term "Woodbury/Wrong Hands" to mean your enemies in general, regardless of whether they actually belonged to either Woodbury or Wrong Hands or perhaps some entirely separate group or no organized group at all. If your neighbour annoys you 20 years hence, you will still blame "Woodbury/Wrong Hands." That must be convenient. You've also claimed that people griefing you are in fact Russians and other people you've made your enemies on Twitter more recently, who've read on ED that SL is the place to find you most of the day.


The last time Tizzers came anywhere near you must (probably) have been your public meeting in March 2010 together with Pixeleen when "This 54-year-old assistant director at Duke Univerity presides over deliberate crashing of everyone's viewers and event griefing" as you wrote then.

Reviewed by Pixeleen here: "Pandering to the need for dramatic tension, Neva has constructed the stage to supercharge the drama. The Sutherland living room is directly next to a large section of Linden protected land where those who have been ejected from Prokofy’s land can fly just out of reach of Neva’s ban rights. Theatrical critics agree that this is an essential part of the performance aesthetic – why hold a meeting where you could control the audience and limit the chaos – the show must go on!" http://alphavilleherald.com/2010/03/review-sutherland-dam-theatre-of-the-absurd.html

Find someone else to blame. You seem to have no trouble attracting endless streams of new enemies who readily replace the old ones, since the days when we first met in TSO (way before Tizzers became a fixation of yours). Perhaps you should consider the role of your own behavior in all this? As Pixeleen wrote, "Without a vile enemy to rail against, Neva’s over the top emoting and incoherent dialog would make even allies groan, so it is understandable that Neva welcomes conflict – and there are groups that are more than willing to play this role."

Prokofy Neva

Oops, Soen E.'s post got accidentally deleted in the spam file, I saw it go by. It was some hectoring nonsense about how I only created more enemies but it could certainly have been posted.


Why so interested in Tizzers? Do you want to marry Tizzers, secretly? Is that "it"?

Tariq Al-Fayeed

Imagined response from Prokofy Neva: "Yes, that is "it." I'm deeply in love with Tizzers Foxchance, the "it" girl of virtuality." Now, problem solved, Prokofy has admitted what's bothering her, to herself and to the world.

Deborah Lipsitz

I don't appreciate you being disrespectful to my Master Chief and me. You or someone claiming to represent you entered our base without permit. In any case this is your responsibility/problem and has nothing to do with us, and we would expect you to take an interest in solving the problem if you weren't responsible yourself (which we don't know as of yet). Judging by your hostile reaction to my IM I can see why you have enemies. If you think our titles are amusing, I guess you would find the whole military of the US amusing. Personally I would find the whole "rentals business" of yours and "chicken farming" that you or your alleged representative brags about to be amusing.


Jeez, Prokofy, that was NOT nice of you, harrassing a disabled woman who plays Second Life in the way she chooses https://www.gofundme.com/cf-wheelchair-accessible-van

You may not think her activity is your cup of tea, but you can show some respect and decency. Christ!

Prokofy Neva

Why would being disabled (a fact not evident from her communications) be relevant, and more to the point, allow her to be an asshole?

It doesn't.

She's full of shit with her pretentious rant. Griefers are most definitely NOT my responsibility. They are the responsibility of Linden Lab to remove. It doesn't matter if you don't like my blog or my behavior or if you think I "have enemies". Griefing is not allowed and is not "deserved".

It's also completely irrelevant what Deborah's socialist views are about renting and I don't have any "chicken farms" in fact. Having a few sion chickens is not "having a chicken farm". And if I chose to have a chicken farm, so what?

Griefers and their enablers in this thread are all about having the Internet their way and imagining others prevent them instead of being for genuine freedom which means the rule of law against griefers who take away freedom.

As for Pixeleen's self-serving bullshit, Linden Lab should ensure that people who have peaceful events under the TOS announced on the calendar are not event-griefed and harassed. They should especially ensure this if THEIR LAND is involved.

That griefers hasten to "safe houses" on Linden land to grief you from is something the Lindens should have made short work of years ago, instead of imaging that they need to keep "free spaces" open for "self expression".

I remember seeing the police blotter in the years and years of those idiots harassing me - it never showed their griefing, spamming, even sim crashing, their heckling and gathering around to pressure the event. It only showed once me pasting the chat of that crank Benjamin Noble into room chat, and him AR'ing me for "disclosure". What a weenie little police informant. His chat should be exposed -- what's he doing coming to a lot he's banned from and heckling?

Later I found out that among the griefers was a Linden (CG Linden) on an alt. What do you know! Of course, the Lindens being in on it accounts for the long ride the Woodburies have enjoyed.

I believe in continuing to try to keep the spaces open, and not cow to bullying by moving to a private island, which they could still invade with a series of alts anyway. I thought it was more important to keep having the meetings. After awhile, after years of harassment, they stopped when I got busy in RL and couldn't come on Friday nights. I haven't been interested in starting them again, but if I ever do, I'll insist on having the Linden land around my land be a place free of griefers, too.

Linda Heart

Your bots have disrupted our sim at least ten times. We have asked you to stop, and we have abuse reported your bots AND your main account Prokofy Neva numerous times. The fact that both the bots AND your main account Prokofy Neva have been banned or suspended as they are deleted from search is evidence that the bots were in all likelihood yours. Otherwise LL would hardly ban your main account. We will spread the word that Ravenglass Rentals is not a place anyone should rent from, and can only hope that LL punishes you for your behavior.

Pavl Duke

Your rascist bots are still spamming me, DESIST immediately.

Halo Masterchief

"my master chief" lol when it comes to losers, SL never fails to deliver. Someone should set up a dedicated crowdfunding site just for all the SL trash begging for donations that are ultimately spent on pixel shoes.

Prokofy Neva

I haven't been banned, however. I don't know why you got that idea. These bots are all griefers and THEY have been banned, not me. Anyone can see I'm in search.

Tizzers Foxchase

Yikes. Just saw this post in my Google alerts...

Prokofy you *really* have to let go of the past.

I know we've had our differences and there was a time when I was an insufferable little shit in Second Life. We were all young and dumb once, but things change and people grow up.

I am in my 30s with a career and a mortgage. The last thing I have time for is bothering you in SL. Please move on. I have.


Prokofy Neva

This is Tizzers/Jordan's favourite gambit, and has been for years, "Why, I'm actually a mature, law-abiding citizen now and you have something wrong with you."

She/they love to say "Why, we were all young and dumb once and we all did bad things, and gosh, golly, I was a shit but geez, get over it, it's been 10 years."

Except...I wasn't young and dumb once. I was a 50-year-old single mom of two children with two RL jobs who ran a business as an adult in SL and didn't grief, target, or harass people, I abuse-reported them and published their bad behavior. Different!

Except, there isn't misunderstandings, mutual guilt, mutual responsibility in the griefer-victim relationship; it's the griefer's fault. Our society is maturing enough to say that sexual harassment isn't the fault of the victim's "short skirt" but the harasser, yet griefers in SL on the left and extreme left can never admit that their victims aren't guilty or mutually responsible for their "short skirts" either. A short skirt in this case is land that allows open building for the convenience of tenants, that is overwhelming more used by them and not abused by griefers; a short skirt is an open group that is overwhelmingly used by tenants for their convenience, far more than the occasional griefer.

Who says we can't have an open society with open groups and open land in a virtual world, and that it is OUR fault for insisting on this, and not the fault of those who abuse it occasionally? That's the position of LL and the griefers, however, and I might add hackers/ crypto kids in RL -- it's always the victims' fault. They didn't have good security. They're the problem. Why, griefers/hackers only help them become more secure. LOL.

Perhaps we should try telling sexual abusers that they help their victims to stop wearing short skirts or never getting drunk on dates instead of prosecuting some of them. Like that?

Jordan achieved a transgender transformation I'm told, I hope that made her life better. Jordan lost RL jobs because he was an asshole, I hope she has a better time with this now, and so on.

But Tizzers is not capable of coming into SL to harass me or other people on a day off or holiday? Please, we're not children, we've seen how this works, for years.

And Tizzers little pals, whom he/she supported, incited, covered for for years and years aren't in fact still doing this in groups she made? Please, we are not children.

And any new Woodbury/Wrong Hands/whatever kids coming along and following this "tradition" are somehow completely severed from their grandfathers' and grandmothers' partisan work? Please, we are not children. The griefing objects THEY made are in the hands of the new generation, and they bear responsibility, just like Kalashnikov does for his "invention".

People who lie for decades can't be expected to get their Eddie Haskell routine believed in later years when they endlessly used this method of pretending they were innocent and people like me were crazy cat ladies for years.

So I'm not "moving on" because there are still griefers created/spawned by/still supported/still excused by/still actually alts of Tizzers even if someone can prove (and that wouldn't be her little friends of her Lindens) that she is "not guilty" any more. For the simple reason is that I am still griefed in the way SHE was responsible for. The end.

And BTW, abuse-reporting these people and asking my tenants to abuse-report them isn't somehow living the life of a cowed, obsessed, failing to move on sort of person. It's just a business owner's duty.

What I noticed as salient about all these frequent "move on" posts of Tizzers is that she never, ever condemns her own past behavior or the current bad behavior of her friends/alts/followers/heirs. Never. That's the problem. It's always about me. And I'm not the problem. They are.

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