Rape Culture Self-Driving Car Idiot -- No

Here's what you do when you get somebody with this sort of profile, in this sort of group:

 

telling you what to do in Second Life:

 

[16:37] animats: (Saved Fri Feb 23 16:13:37 2018)You have an object, "Vehicle Parking Lot 24x24 with 8 spaces-entrance & exit", which is encroaching on a Linden road at Grote(178,235,84). Please take care of that. In addition, there's something there which is knocking vehicles off the road at the region crossing between Grote and Electra. This is causing trouble on Robin Loop, a popular road. Please check for encroaching invisible prims. Thanks.

 

You tell him to fuck off in the worse possible way:

[16:53] Prokofy Neva: No, I won't be doing that. My road addresses a problem the Lindens won't deal with which is a) horribly uneven ground in that area b) horribly broken rocks and c) horribly broken road. So you call up your Linden friends and address that in order to do...what? Run your unmanned vehicles in SL? Er, what is your purpose here agai? I don't have any "invisible prims". The Lindens' road is broken. See above, unless you are broken and incapable of comprehension. The end.
[16:53] Joe Magarac (animats): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[16:54] Prokofy Neva: PS I don't have any prims at all on the line between Electra and Grote. Oh, I know, some other clueless git put prims there, a roadside. Not me. He set them to my open group,. Could I remove them? Possibly, but why? They are just road signs that he put out for some RP thing he was doing and it's not that big a deal. Run along now and play in the traffic.
[16:54] Joe Magarac (animats): User not online - message will be stored and delivered later.
[22:33] Prokofy Neva: Keep your rape bondage RP on your own sim, buddy, and do not take it to the roads and try to coerce other people into doing your bidding. You will find that you get a very heavy pushback when you try to use your RP on non-consenting people. Be gone. We all see what you're doing here.
[22:33] Prokofy Neva: block

 

Note what he was doing on the forums as well:

This guy is a manipulative asshole, with an overwhelming self of ego and power, a rape RP asshole -- the worse of SL -- on BDSM sims that are "barely legal" -- but the rest of us do not have to consent to this assholery.

Angel Fluffy was like this -- a rape RP asshole fury who demolished the entire democratic voting system on Second Life's forums. It was truly an amazing an awful thing to watch.

This asshole purports like Elon Musk to make self-driving cars but he can't see any invisible prims and their owners??? Ben Linden??? What an asshole!

 

Going to reprint the forums as it's the kind of things the Lindens might remove:

animats:

There's something strange at the point where Robin Loop crosses from Juanita to Grote. Vehicles get knocked off the road at the region crossing. There are some nearby encroachments involving a private parking lot, but I can't see the problem even in wireframe mode. Go to http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Juanita/150/15/85 and head southeast in the left lane of Robin Loop to see this. This may be new; I ride around Robin Loop regularly and haven't hit this before. I've tried different motorcycles and Firestorm versions, and it's the same every time. Logging out doesn't affect it. Even moving at very slow speed, the problem appears. It's a small bump, not a solid wall; going fast enough will get through it. That's the reverse of most region crossing problems.

Sinking at a region crossing is a general problem and well understood, but this is something else. The last time I hit something like this, someone had put an invisible prim across a road.

Chin Rey

t's certainly not new. Those two prims must have been there for as long as the Rbin Loop has existed. They were laid down by Ben Linden - how long is it since he worked at LL???

They may have become dislocated recently though. They should have been flush with the road surface, not placed on top of it.

 

animats

Yes, that's it. I'd been looking in wireframe, and they don't show there when "highlight transparent" is not on. Some mole was trying to patch the region crossing, but they didn't get it right.

One of my planned projects is to build an inspection truck which drives around and finds road problems like this. Then make it self-driving and log the results to a database.

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Um, could we not, asshole? Who died and made you king?

My answer:

No, it's not about "me encroaching" big guy. It's not even about old Lindens. Stop it. This is just some weird form of griefing.

I know EXACTLY what you said when you IM'd me in world, accusing me of encroachment, making false accusations against me about sim borders and so on.

This is all what accused ME of inworld and trust me, this is not about some motorcycle disruption. Go drive your motorcycle elsewhere if you have "problems" you know? That's not what you're about here.

Let me inform you once again what the problem is here -- but then you know it, you're making a fake gambit here.

It's about the Lindens having built the road crappily here.

There was no reason for it whatsoever.

They have roads all over SL and are very good at building them, they just have messed this up. LOOK at this area. Weird, messed-up lumpy rocks. Messed up road.

TERRIBLE landscaping creating a totally impossible environment. If you buy land here, which I did, you cannot drive out of it because of the Lindens' obstacle course.

So sorry, I'm going to put up a ramp and the hell with anything anyone says about it, the Lindens should fix their road. I get to get out of my land, and so do my tenants, the end.

You also have misplaced ideas about "my" prims at the border of Electra and Grote where I don't have prims. Get a grip. There's some other guy's prims there (but they are road signs) so I don't think they cause you to go off the road.

Hmm now why do the Lindens not fix their road here? I KNOW, it's because of their fanboyz insane idea that they should put a railroad "back" here that was a resident railroad.They've agitated Michael Linden to try to put that railroad "back" which in fact was a resident railroad that uglified the skyline and was abandoned and removed. And the Lindens SOLD THE LAND there and it was purchased by people off the auction ,then by me. The end, go away.

The Lindens and their rail fans have plenty of other places to put railroads without messing up THESE sims again and harassing me about my land in different ways (this looks like merely the latest gambit). They even have other ways they can run their silly railroad even in this area, with all the enormous amounts of abandoned land they have. So they truly need to go away in the worst way.

If you're not about that, you STILL need to go away in the worst way.

NO ONE NEEDS YOU TO DO THIS 'INSPECTING'. YOU WERE NOT ELECTED OR APPOINTED.NO ONE NEEDS MORE STUPID-A$$ SELF-DRIVING CARS MESSING UP ROADS, GOING OFF ROADS, DESTROYING THE THEMES OF SIMS. GET LOST WITH THIS SELF-DRIVING CAR IDEA.

If you do this, I will abuse report you continuously as it is harassment.

Why do people like you get graNdiose ideas about yourselves, your scripts, your ideas, your vehicles that you want to impose on OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY you don't pay tier on and the PUBLIC ROADS near them? Buy a sim and play with your cars on that sim and stop harassing people with your nonsense.

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I don't know whether this guy is a new alt (October 2017) of the railroad assholes, or a different asshole from another opera that is still encroaching itself -- likely the latter but who knows. His name is similar to others I've seen.

 

Let's put in the pictures, shall we? To show that the problem is bad Linden road building -- and the invisprims upsetting this asshole's

motorcycle are LINDEN PRIMS that have been there for a decade or more.

My prim "encroaching" is literally a smidgeon into the Linden road only, and only because of their horrid landscaping, lumpy rocks and horrid road so that I can drive out my property and my tenants can (they often have RVs).

Now look at this asswipe Calum, one of the more obnoxious forums regs:

"That's some serious encroaching."

Go see his pictures, ridiculous, totally.

Don't be ridiculous, of course it's not. A prim that isn't even in the road, but only slightly over the Lindens' ridiculous messed-up rocks there really can't be said to be encroaching.

Anyone with normal common sense and good will -- actually Lindens themselves would likely "get it" here -- would see that. Only on the toxic forums could this wild distortion of reality occur.

Any and all trolls, like the OP, of course will feel free to AR this OMGODZORS ENCROACHMENT but I honestly don't care. The Lindens have never removed it. They tend not to remove things like this when they see they themselves have "issues" or when it really doesn't matter, like a bridge over Linden water as long as it doesn't interfere with boats.

I will simply keep putting it back and filing ticket after ticket with them as will many others who live around this area to get them to fix their road.

Of course one really big challenge they have is their selection of this type of road in the first place. Cobblestone roads are quaint and even over on the neighboring sims they look much better. Here they selected this god-awful lumpy mixture of rock/earth which is hobbling them and the road and traffic. Of course, they could always drop it just for this odd curve which is kind of a hairpin almost in places -- which they are stuck I suppose although one could consider a completely different layout. There's the issue of the slanted lots that are at odd angles to the road, as well.

One OBVIOUS thing the Lindens could do is simply drop this whole scheme with this curved road in that location, and their prims that don't curve, and their lumpy rocks and go another route that is in fact a straightaway -- and old railroad bed titled now "Linden Right of Way" which they seized as their own out of a resident's abandoned parcels years and years ago -- or at least what they "envision" along with their fanboyz as a railroad.

For that they'd have to give up their aborted "dream" of a railroad that no one asks for, no one needs, and which the Lindens themselves did not build, because they sold the land here, hello (I bought it from the person who got it off the auction; other neighbors of mind bought other parcels). The old land of the *resident's railroad* (it was never Linden land* was *sold by the Lindens on the auction*. People who endlessly mispresent this might want to come in world and pick up the fake history of this area from the flamingo over by Sikkima, and my actual history from the blue flamingo there by my property : )

We who actually live on those sims and actually own the property have asked for a pet walk or any other thing  -- yeah, shocking, imagine, but more people have pets and want to socialize with them than there are hobos who want to ride rail cars -- which of course exist in ABUNDANCE already on the Mainland without having to ruin more sims with them. A pet walk with water fountains for pets, areas where you could play with them, rezzing areas not for cars (which Lindens are always happy to provide as they love the load-testing spammers) but for pet toys or pet food. Shocking, shocking concept I imagine, going with the culture of MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE PLATFORM instead of the tiny minorities in the cultures they feel more affinity with like hobos.

Or, if they hate pets, and I imagine they do, whatever cash it puts in their own coffers -- Gasp -- if they went on that 45 degree angle across that Linden "path" through Grote and then at right angles down to Electra, none of these problems would exist. Cars have had to turn 45% angles before, it won't kill them. That's how I'd do it. Put this mess on the Robin Loop there out of its misery, put the road in the right-angled area leading up to another crossroads, take out all the mangled prims and leave a field with picnic tables or whatever Moles feel they can do -- naturally the pet walk could go THERE too! Once you have good will instead of catering to tiny clamoring minorities.

BTW, if they need to achieve any widening or smoothing there, the Lindens could GASP AGAIN offer compensation to existing landlowners for their "takings". This would be like "eminent domain" in real life. Usually the government compensates you at least something when it has to take your land for a road easement, for example. I've never gotten the Lindens to even discuss this as it is completely outside their ideological scope.

And finally -- I know this is an UTTERLY WILD CONCEPT they could use not prims, but sculpties (I hate them, they look terrible) or even mesh. Lindens do have these newer things in road materials elsewhere. So they could create a new sculpty/mesh thing there that would curve better and maybe work better for vehicles to cross.

Certainly absolutely no vehicle in any way in any fashion is hampered by MY little ramp there -- how do I know that? Because all the live-long day, the driverless cars come through, spamming up our neighbourhood completely. There are buses in the air; boats in the air; those stupid little pods -- no one needs this. All day long those things drive through, annoying all of us who live there, sometimes crashing or getting stuck on lawns and needing removal. But we've already long since learned that the Lindens will never stop these nuisances as they love them for load tests and their own experiments with sim crossings.

Finally, let me note what is really happening with the OP's motorcycle -- he is tripping up on Ben Linden's and Eric Linden's invisible prims. Not anything from me anywhere. That's the exact story and we all get that if we know how roads and travel of vehicles work. Ben and Eric had to put that junk there because of their curves and mess-ups there. Whatever. They're long gone now, and newer Lindens could try to clean this up, but for that they need to a) drop their stalled "railroad dream" of more than a year ago that literally ended in mid-prim when Michael Linden left -- and he himself had ended it when he built it out in the bed there, put up a train engine and then suddenly realized that he would have to *cross Prokofy's land with it* to make it go along the road.

And once again, despite all the bullying and harassment I've experienced from the hobos and their griefer pals, I will not be selling my land there so that these silly rail plans can go through. Oh, no, not when I and my neighbors who own land there had to endure YEARS of misery with this ugly high-rise rail bridge blotting the view of this lovely pond here and the sky around it. Hell, no. We got that ugly high rise despite my working with that resident RR dude, both giving him right-of-way and selling him land to run his RR through Slosser and such -- and for my troubles I got that ugly thing ruining the value of my land. I had to abandon two pieces of land there finally, they wouldn't sell. Fortunately when this resident RR failed and was abandoned, I got to buy back my land again and get some use of it.

Normal, peaceful, ordinary communities of people who want normal things like ponds and fishing and nice views really, really matter in SL and I will fight like hell for them because it is right and decent, not because I get any cash out of it, I don't. I refuse to allow tiny extremist communities of griefers, sandboxers, hobos etc. encroach on that when they already have entire sims of their own OR have no land or worst of all, have even abandoned their land and want to freeload on others. The Lindens could never see their way clear to zoning, something that could have been easily done simply by labelling sims and setting an example. They didn't wish to get in the governance business but they also created many many conflict drivers with their poor planning, i.e. having water in a land-locked pond go for sale to anyone, instead of making it Linden protected water and increasing the land's value and securing it against blight.

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Then more pictures of his with yellow boxes. What a tool, what a total, fucking tool.

My answer:

You're a good example of the toxicity and insanity of the forums, Callum. Any normal person can see that the road is not obstructed. It isn't. The tiny squares where there might be a ramp TO GO ON TO THE LINDEN'S MESS OF A ROAD OFF PROPERTY WHICH YOU CAN'T OTHERWISE DRIVE OUT OF is not hampering traffic.

It is not the problem with the OP's motorcycle. How do I know? Because not only do I drive up and down on the road in cars, on motorcycles, on Megapuss cat but I see jillions of other people do this. You know, all those damn driverless cards. I also occasionally see normal people who sometimes stop and chat. Sometimes they might pick up one of my flamingos or milkshakes there -- every day I see activity here that shows people drive on this road fine, they enjoy the area here that I and others have built, and they get around the Linden mess here, you know? 

It really is a metaphor for all of Second Life. Truly it is. People finding ways to make do, building nice things, making it work despite the Lindens' rampant neglect, indifference and incompetence -- and harassment by their little friends in extremist grouplets -- and then people on the forums totally misrepresenting reality and taking the side of extremists.

Totally all of SL in a nutshell right there.

And entire road is open for anyone to drive through, and the ramp is only on the lumpy mess of rock/ground put there. But I've found that people like you literally cannot see reality, so hidebound are you with ideology. This is a VERY good example of it.

So what is the result of your shenanigans here, along with the OP's? Only harassment, and harassment driven by ideological concerns and who-knows-what agenda. It's a marvel to behold.

A dozen or more people live here and drive out of this area in vehicles, or on bikes or horses or on cats on to this hideously messed up Linden road with some ramps. That have been there for years. 

So through ideological fanboyz clamoring and agitation, you or other that bother to log into the world (most of you regs who heckle others on the forums don't even log in) my get feckless Lindens to remove these ramps, even as they don't fix their roads. The OP will still not get through here because his problem is invisiprims set by Lindens as Chin Rey pointed out, something you've failed to grasp yet.

My job is to document these idiocies as they happen.

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Callum: 

You don't see it as stealing 512M of land from the lab?

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ME:

 

No, it's not "stealing" land from the Lindens. It's putting a ramp over their mangled mess there so that I and my tenants can drive out of the Lindens land I paid for and pay tier on but can't use because of their mangle there.

What's really stolen here is the value of my land, which they've harassed and harried for years by not fixing their road and letting their crazy factions harass us with the railroad issue.

That's what is REALLY going on. I own land on 7 sims in that area, and pay tier for it. The Lindens in the three years since I bought that parcel and put a ramp in have never said a thing to me. It doesn't bother THEM. I've only taken their abandoned land in this area and put it under tier and given them money for abandoned land that they'd be happy to leave for YEARS AND YEARS and DO leave for YEARS AND YEARS so sorry, no sale, no success in your troll.

Do you own any land and do you do any development or anything creative at all in world or do you just think up harassment posts on the forums?

 

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Chin Rey:

Ummmmm....

errrrrrrrr.....

Let's not make a mountain out of a mole hill - especially since this whole thing predates the Moles.

The physical bump in the road is caused by a prim linkset added by LL to smooth out the sim crossing but misplaced so it does exactly the opposite of what it was meant to do. That's it.

If Animats blamed it on you, he probably owes you an apology but if so, it should be done the same way as the accusation: on IM between the two of you.

Whether the encroaching is serious or not is something that LL will have to decide. I doubt they will mind though. Visually it doesn't look nearly as bad on the ground as it does on those aerial pictures and it doesn't block the traffic on the road in any way.

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Me:

When people not only make false accusations against you in world AND put up a specious post like this to agitate and incite the whole community against you, you set the record straight, Chin. You don't have a situation like this on your land so it isn't your issue.

I actually don't buy your analysis of the "misplacement" as literally  A JILLION BILLION CARS HAVE GONE OVER THIS ROAD WITH NO PROBLEM with those prims as they are.

It just happened that the OP's motorcycle spit up here, maybe he slowed down to try to agitate and harass me for whatever reason and look the place over -- obviously he has 5000 sims he could go on with his motorcycle but has *chosen this one for a reason*. I invite you to be a tad more curious about this.

It doesn't look bad even from the aerial pictures, Chin. Do you see a road there? A road that is free of obstruction. The ramp goes on those crazy clumps of rock on the *shoulder* of the road, can you see that? Sure you can, as I don't think you are as blinkered as some of the people of bad will here. I know you generally have good will. So put it to practice and realize that this road is not encroached, that this tsumani was artificially created for who-knows-what-reason, and that the OP's motorcycle issues *may* be caused by the invisiprim or may merely be caused by the curve in the road but they are NOT cause by my ramps. And in any event *he need not drive here* with these problems when he literally has 5000 other sims to choose from.

Comments

[Kanye]

In June 2005, Fitzpatrick received a notice that she was banned — permanently — from the Second Life forums. The official reason for her ban was "trolling," or being abusive to other members, but Fitzgerald says it was because she was being too critical of Linden Lab. Following her ban, a Linden Lab chat log surfaced on the Internet in which the Lindens plot a way to silence their biggest critic. "Prok [Fitzgerald's user name] never 'technically' violates the Community Standards," wrote one Linden. "So change them," another replied. Another spelled it out more clearly: "Ban Prok."

"When asked about the Lab's banning of Fitzgerald, Rosedale — who fields emails from her with some frequency — doesn't apologize for giving her the ax. "I do think it is reasonable," he says, "just like running a kindergarten.""

www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/david-kushner-inside-second-life-with-creator-philip-rosedale-w474459

[Auryn]

You know you have serious issues when some bdsm rape loser in second life comes off as the coherent level headed one. Cool rant though lol

[Annie Carducci]

I hereby officially warn you on behalf of the 1st Police Battallion (SL) that you violated an order not to disturb an event at Cacho Nootan Tango, for the SECOND time with your bot. I must now give you a FINAL warning that a report to Linden Lab is imminent. Also, must I point out that publishing chat is prohibited under the code of Cacho Nootan Tango as well as Linden Lab's TOS and will also lead to a report.

[Kany E]

This Rolling Stone wrote:

"In June 2005, Fitzpatrick received a notice that she was banned — permanently — from the Second Life forums. The official reason for her ban was "trolling," or being abusive to other members, but Fitzgerald says it was because she was being too critical of Linden Lab. Following her ban, a Linden Lab chat log surfaced on the Internet in which the Lindens plot a way to silence their biggest critic. "Prok [Fitzgerald's user name] never 'technically' violates the Community Standards," wrote one Linden. "So change them," another replied. Another spelled it out more clearly: "Ban Prok."

"When asked about the Lab's banning of Fitzgerald, Rosedale — who fields emails from her with some frequency — doesn't apologize for giving her the ax. "I do think it is reasonable," he says, "just like running a kindergarten.""

[Claudiafiora Campese]

I'd like to make a remark about one conclusion you draw:

" Certainly absolutely no vehicle in any way in any fashion is hampèred by my little ramp there -- how do I know that? Because all the live-long day the driverless cars come through, spamming my neighbourhood completely "

I suppose you mean those little cars and boats that provide tours of thè mainlands of Sansara and Heterocera. Well, the point is: these vehicles are clearly non-physical. They are not hindered by obstructions or bad curves. You can easily check that by trying to block them with your body. Neither you nor the vehicle Will be damaged. On the other hand the complainer 's motorcycle is likely physical, so it CAN be blocked . Your conclusion is not valid.

Driverless, non-physical vehicles can be obstructed by settings in the parcel owner's setting, like no-object-entry, no-script , etc. Unwise settings, in my opinion, that only cause , rather than solve, the annoyances that you describe.

By the way, I like those little cars. They look cute and they provide nice guided tours of thè mainlands.

[Prokofy Neva]

No, they look like crap and are out of theme on 99% of sims on the Mainland, no one needs space pods on every other kind of sim, whether suburban, retro, ranch, modern, whatever. None of those are "space age".

No one needs tours, either. They don't have people in them. I never, ever, ever, see anyone using them and I look at many more sims for longer periods of day than you, with your biased view in favour of them merely because the tech set thinks they are wonderful for load-testing -- as if we didn't have a live population of real people using their avatars for load testing? And because they never met a scripted thing they didn't like.

It's not about "settings" even if they can be "optimized". It's about arrogant assholery thinking you can use all of SL for your Tropico tyrant game, and about the Lindens enabling that.

Funny how the Lindens removed AnneMarie finally. Maybe because of, um, "settings". They kept the pods. But it's merely a matter of whom they friend.

Furthermore, I myself have physical vehicles of all kinds. As do my neighbours. We drive on these roads constantly. We do not experience the motorcycle upsets that this idiot is whining about, even on motorcycles.
So my conclusion IS valid, derp. You just don't have enough experiments on this road to make any conclusions whatsoever, and therefore are the latest asshole to sound off with arrogant bullshit, that's all.

His one-time experience with his particular vehicle is not at all a justification for the Lindens to remove their invisible prims, although I'd like them to remove the road completely as I've indicated on the forums and use their idiotic "right of way" to reroute THAT road instead of leaving their "unfinished railroad" to terrorize this area with the prospect of blight.

[Prokofy Neva]

Let's have the link to this article and read the whole article, it's helpful : )

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/david-kushner-inside-second-life-with-creator-philip-rosedale-w474459

The next paragraph after the ones selectively quoted is this one:

On October 29th, 2006, Fitzgerald claimed that the Lab had done the virtual equivalent of insider trading: telling select barons of an impending hike in land prices, which would allow them to snatch up land at lower fees, before the plebian owners could get their share. Rosedale himself admitted his wrongdoing. "We probably made a mistake there, trying to get feedback," he said at the time. "We should just tell everybody everything."

Hmm, sounds like there is a role for "contrarians" -- critical bloggers -- you know, like real life, you know, someone like Matt Taibi who I find totally repugnant but whom this commenter probably loves for his critique of capitalism.

I don't at all oppose capitalism. I'm not a socialist. I'm a Catholic. I'm a liberal. I'm for social justice, which is not the same thing as socialism (which is why socialists hate it). Naturally, in a liberal democratic society under the rule of law, you regulate but don't kill business as say, Russia or China would and ask these authoritarians posting would no doubt like to see.

And hmm, who is still in Second Life? Me, not Philip. Oh, well! I thought Philip was great, he had great ideas, he did this incredibly hard experiment pretty well and fast, he may have been too hide-bound with some of his tech ideologies, but he was ALWAYS someone you could talk to normally and ALWAYS thoughtful and a LISTENER. Perhaps he was a poor manager but I'm not even sure about that as he inspired his staff. Now Philip started another virtual world. I haven't been able to get into it, I suppose my computer doesn't have the chops, eventually I will, it has many nice features and mainly his enthusiasm and staff which recommends itself from his Second Life resume, whatever my critique.

Furthermore, um, permabanned? This article came out in 2007, at the height of the business enthusiasm (read: public relations' firms enthusiasm, which is really a different thing and why it failed).

That was, let's see, 11 years ago? I wasn't "permabanned" at all -- it was Torley who banned me for legitimate questioning of Corey Linden's copyleftism and extremism technocommunism on the site and on the forums, as well I should, I had very valid reasons for questioning his enabling of the illegal reverse-engineering of the platform because it coddled griefers and copybotters. I know he had some fundamental argument with Philip. We never quite learned what it was. Maybe it was over Corey's extremist belief in open sourcing everything. They ended up open sourcing the browser, a mistake in my view. Everyone uses Firestorm which they backdate then to an acceptance of this decision but I'm totally unimpressed, as Firestorm has its roots in griefer viewers, no one has ever proved that it doesn't scrape data and exploit it and more to the point, it undermines SL rules like granting the ability to return group-set prims which it shouldn't override.

AS SOON as Torley -- who can be a total tool as many know -- was removed from forums moderation, I was put back on. Was it the next year? Soon after. That's why I'm on it TODAY and have been FOR YEARS? Hello! One of the stupidest pieces of disinformation around.

[Claudiafiora Campese]

"You just don't have enough experiments on this road to make any conclusions whatsoever, and therefore are the latest asshole to sound off with arrogant bullshit, that's all."

Gee Prokofy, I did not make ANY conlusions at all ! I did not say that your prim was in fact blocking anything. I just criticised your logic. You based your conclusion upon the mere fact that "non-phys" vehicles aren't blocked. The fact that you rode phys. vehicles yourself, is something I couldn't possibly know after reading your original post.

And what's arrogant about my post? I just pointed you to a fact that you might have missed. We cannot know everything.

Regarding the other issue: Why would you deny people the right to use a PUBLIC road the way they want, as long as they don't hurt people ? All these innocent little cars do is quietely travelling over public highways and waterways, and give some info (in a whispered voice !) on the things encountered.

Do take one of these tours some day ! You will be surprised, I promise ! The mainlands are, regrettably, going down in favor of private islands, and they can use any support they can get. These tours are a valuable contribution to that.

[Prokofy Neva]

Take your idiotic "police" roleplay elsewhere, Annie Carducci you're a total failure.

First, this isn't my bot as is explained in another post, get a clue?

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/second_thoughts/2018/02/no-im-not-a-russian-bot-and-i-dont-use-bots-or-spout-racist-antisemitic-nonsense-and-guess-what-its-.html

Second -- really important for swaggering police assholes to grasp? -- Linden Lab does not have jurisdiction outside its servers. Therefore you cannot "abuse report" speech you don't like outside of SL's servers.

I can and will go on pasting chat on my blog which is my right.

This pasting of abusive chat does not violate any "privacy" -- it is chat said to ME in one-party New York State, which means that either or both parties may publicize the communication. That's important.

Because it is ABUSIVE AND THREATNING chat based on totally idiotic insanity by assholes imagining they are above the rule of law. The ONLY recourse we have other than trying to AR them back (which "goes nowhere") is to PUBLICIZE their bad behavior. THE ONLY RECOURSE.

You are warned on my profile that if you do that, you will be publicized; if you imagine that a rule within the SL jurisdiction prevents me from publishing outside, you're mistaken.

If somehow LL begins punishing people for what they say in any form outside of LL -- criticism of LL, quotation of chat that is quoted for the purpose of exposing harassment, threats, blackmail -- they will have proven themselves unfit for business, non-profit and educational use -- I have never seen them do this in 13 years in fact as they aren't stupid and don't overreach. Some individual Lindens try to overreach but they get nowhere.

Claudiafiore, your repeated posts are a total fail.

The reason one individual with a mad tyrannical Tropico idea to inflict spam cars on the public should not use PUBLIC ROADS is because they are PUBLIC. The PUBLIC is not them, you, or any other tyrant. It's the PUBLIC. One, your notion that they are "not harmful" is just biased, subjective bullshit. They ARE harmful as they BLIGHT THE VIEW, ADD NEEDLESSLY TO SCRIPTS ON SIMS, ARE OFTEN OUT OF THEME (boats in the air, trains on the water) and ARE NOT USED.

AGAINST: The PUBLIC is NOT USING these cars. I never, ever, ever seen ANY use of them. The fact that contrarian assholes get into them once in awhile and claim they are "fun" doesn't undermine the basic point that individual assholes should NOT get to take over the public domain just as in real life they can't do this.

There are free vehicles all over (I supply some right at this site in fact where this incident takes place) and people can get a free vehicle, or buy a nicer one, and travel on their own without spamming the Mainland. The Mainland is not improved by these driverless cars -- they're blighted.

Indeed, I've sat in them on occasion to see how witless they are -- I've gone in them and seen NO OTHER PERSON USING THEM ANYWHERE. I see them jammed up on properties around me, in fact.

Again, your notions of what physical vehicles do and don't do is not based on actual use of this area for years such as I have and many others, so piss off.

Criticizing "logic" without any proof is just insanity, even if dressed up as "tech talk". Seriously, piss off.

[Prokofy Neva]

@Kany E the name is FITZPATRICK -- Rolling Stone got it right.

No, I didn't violate the TOS, in fact my criticism of Corey was legitimate and was on the forums for a time until Torley got angry at its thorough critique of the viewer and "permabanned me". The hilarious thing is that the SAME question I asked at the town hall INWORLD to Corey himself was one HE ANSWERED.

Meanwhile, a griefer made an avatar with a name similar to mine, with one letter off or something, and began spamming and harassing the town hall. So *I* was kicked off world and not allowed to be present during the townhall. These gimmicks are deliberate and work on stupid prejudiced Lindens. The record shows that I didn't do any "spamming" or anything of the sort. PS talking in chat during townhalls is what everyone did, and hardly spam; what this Prokofy impersonator did, however, was spam. It wasn't me. These are tiresome stories and Torley is a tool.

[Claudiafiora Campese]

"Thè PUBLIC is not you, them, or any other tyrant".

The exact opposite is the case: Thè PUBLIC is me, and them, and any other "tyrant", and nice people like yourself as well. The public road are there to be used by everybody, "in theme" or "out of theme".

Just like in real life: When I 'd encounter a guy dressed as Donald Duck in the streets of Napels, hè would be out of theme there too, but hè would bring a smile onto my face.

Let's be happy that somebody puts some activity to those public roads. How much traffic do you expect on a typical mainland highway WITHOUT these unmanned cars? Maybe 2 cars a day? An always empty highway, that s what I would call out of theme.

These cars do have several good purposes, even if they are not being ridden much: they make an otherwise meaningless piece of asphalt into an actual road, they can help in testing SIM crossing software, they are useful AI project, etc. And when you see something on the road that you don't like, keep in mind it is public space. YoU like certain things, you dislike others.

Let thousand flowes bloom!

[Prokofy Neva]

No, Claudia, you're being an asshole. PS I see you have child avatar groups on your profile so that helps explain it : )

There are plenty of REAL people on these roads that I see because I log in and go to lots of sims and you don't? So we don't need fake cars that are spam, unsightly, out of theme, and just generally annoying.

I find certain contrarians that themselves are highly "alternative" think that it's "the norm" to encroach on the public space when it isn't. This is only Linden laxness and extremity of idealogy.

The road does just find "as is" as many of them are scene, as built by the Moles and they already HAVE meaning from real people who drive their vehicles on them.

No one needs "useful AI projects" in the public space, keep it on your own sim you pay for. No one needs "testing" of sim seams after 14 years of this product, honestly, this is just a totally bogus cover for people like yourself trying to muscle others.

So piss off, keep it on your own sim.

[Claudiafiora Campese]

I am honoured by your vist of my SL profile, but I am puzzled by your remark on child avatar groups. I am 39 y.o. , and I have no interest in hanging out with children in SL, although I love them in RL.

Your debating style sometimes involves leaps of thought that are over my head. What have "child avatar groups" to do with my opinion on use of the public room? Please point out the connection.

I just like scripting, and I have contributed to some path finding projects; that's how these cute little cars and boats drew my attention.

The public roads are meant for public use : you, me, everybody; this implies you will sometimes meet a person, or an object, that you don't like. If you might feel personally attacked or insulted by it, the Abuse-Report system is at your disposal. Otherwise, just turn your back to it. There must be tons of things out there, that are more to your taste.

Live, and let live.