Prokofy Neva, Virtualator
This is from 2019 and still relevant
Reprinting from the forums, where it may be removed or the thread shut.
This thread began innocently enough with Therese Tammas asking if there was any kind of "Mainland Appreciation" group. Indeed there are! I have the SL Public Land Preserve; there was once a group called "Mainland First" which did a lot of work before its founder gave up in frustration; there is Linden Roads Community which is very well organized and active; there are various other explorers' and mainland preservation groups.
Perhaps there isn't one with the very focused agenda called "Mainland Appreciation" -- so I made such a group and shared the ownership with Therese, who unfortunately I didn't know before in her 7 years in SL, but who is a friend and who impresses me with her energy and positive approach.
I'm not as cheery and positive, because I have been through many bitter struggles in SL, with Lindens and with griefers, and I have the battle scars to prove it. And I don't think the task is to forget grievances or dismiss people like me, but to appreciate what we achieved for the people today, a better Mainland with more prims, less ad farms, and better roads. It's not only to the credit of the Lindens' graciousness that we have these things; it's due to struggle. Civic struggle, of which I was one part. I list this here in red on this thread:
I then criticized GTFO, Get the Freight Out, whose familiar green-and-white rectangular sign is spotted all over the grid on the map. I feel it blights the map because when it entirely covers a parcel, you can't see the land's features or anything that might be around it. They likely encroach and use the fact that they are by abandoned or Linden land to make their signs bigger. It's annoying to see them all over, just like it's annoying to see giant rental company signs. I don't do that. I find it tacky and stupid. I don't think it gets you business, long term but alienates people.
So here's the discussion. I say the following, and one of the managers of GTFO, a thin-skinned, not hugely intelligent and aware individual from what I gather, comes on to mightily defend her turf, which hardly needs the defense she gives it -- which is misplaced. I always find people who tell you that you have "incorrect" or "biased" information about their clearly negative behaviour to be totally suspect and even just stupid. OF COURSE giant warehouses are not pretty. OF COURSE they blight the landscape in many ways. The fact that some are prettier, or that people love this game can't mitigate THAT BASIC FACT. So here we go:
GTFO is, on the one hand, a welcome thing because it "gives people something to do," it engages people in building and driving and exploring and such -- I had some tenants who created GTFO warehouses on my rentals. BUT the big problem with them is that they create huge, ugly warehouses on a sim, often by waterfront and roads, of course, and that brings down the whole sim. So it's a mixed bag. Not to mention their blighting of the map with their insignia. GTFO is everywhere, like Tiny Empires even though it doesn't offer any cash value, as I understand it, but is something to do. Maybe someone can beautify GTFO and get them to plan trees and put ponds on their big warehouse sites, but it's not really a solution for Mainland beautification.
Vega Firelyte
Hi Prokofy. I just want to clarify a little on what you said regarding GTFO. I agree, there is a number of hubs that do have warehouses but the owners are really quite amazing in putting them together, so I always have to give kudos to them for their design work. They are not the only style though. I have seen some amazing airports, farms, villages, wine yard (that one is really cute), gas stations, motels, vintage diners, neighborhoods (check our Bedos region), and GTFO HQ. The GTFO game is a freighting game, where you go from one hub to another, collecting and dropping off virtual cargo and it's a great group of people, many of whom are very dedicated to beautifying the mainland and making it more active.
I personally own a hub myself, over in Jeogeot, which is a farmers market/diner style and along with a few other hub owners over there, we have been working on building more of a community feel. We have bus stops now at some of our hubs, so that if you want to take a bus ride, we have that and are working towards more little bus stops over on Satori as well. I highly encourage you and anyone else to drop by our Basenville region, check out our event/display area, grab a bike and take a little ride through our Hill Valley neighbourhood, that is GTFO enabled, and check out what GTFO looks like now.
Theresa says:
Haven't played GTFO yet, but I was thinking there should be a version, "Get the Milk Out," For roleplaying deliveries of regular things like eggs and milk, and cat food, to residents? And yes, the warehouse thing I noticed too. The same people who like to play aren't necessarily the ones with the aesthetic sense, which is okay, but then someone has to try to offer to help them, maybe.
Vera: There was an interview with the owner of GTFO by Luke Skywalker of Drivers of SL. GTFO is changing and expanding in the future and Cinn Morgi, the owner, talks about the different things that are going to happen in that future. One of the things will be the ability of hub owners to control what type of freight they will have in their virtual warehouses. For example, I have a hub that is a Farmer's Market, along with a bakery, post office and cafe on my hub. In time, I will be able to decide on what I want to have leaving my place, like eggs, milk, vegetables, pies from the bakery, etc. Slowly but surely, the face of GTFO is changing and it's changing for the better as it grows. If you want more information, please feel free to message me inworld and I would be more than happy to try to help you.
Beth McBain, who has already acquired animosity toward me because I challenged her gushing fandom over Bellisseria, and pointed out that she herself on her own blog commented that her boyfriend was away and she went to the PG Bellisseria just out of loneliness and something to do, and she then denied this, which was amazing, given that it was all said in her own blog. She yammered on a bit, although she came to agree with me on other points. So in part she's now gushing about GTFO as retaliation against me, this is how the forums game is played:
Beth: I've really got to give this GTFO thingie a try. It sounds fun!
I think that one of the side effects Bellisseria is having on SL is a renewed interest in mainland. I know I've never once considered purchasing my own land for a variety of reasons, but now I'm on the hunt for my ideal mainland parcel. I'll be keeping my two Bellisseria parcels because they're so much fun, but I also have ideas of what I'd like to build on my own little plot of land.
Years ago, I did some exploring on the mainland, and pretty much hated everything I saw. It felt very abandoned. Lately, I've been exploring again and the feeling has completely changed. It feels lived in and well taken care of for the most part, and there are people around. The atmosphere on today's mainland makes me want to be a part of it.
Vega, full of spleen now because I've criticized her organization, and refused to desist even when she "corrects my understanding," then says this, in reply to another user's question:
Can someone explain what exactly this group is for? What is its purpose?
Vega: I'm not 100% sure, but it's a group of people who want to see the mainland improve, look better and be more interactive, which is my guess. If I am wrong though, someone please correct me.
This is what is in the description of the group, "A group devoted to appreciating the Mainland by living, working or visiting the legacy Mainland outside of Linden Homes. Members get a free ad board with "Visit the Mainland" texture created by Jack Linden and a portal script to put in the location of your choice. Gifts will also regularly be provided. Chat is encouraged with recommendations, help, causes. We advocate for Linden policies to encourage Mainland living. A hangout is being developed."
I do admit, I hesitate to join because of that second last sentence, which I have put into bold. I have seen that abused quite a few times and it all started innocently but went downhill at some point. Myself personally, I would rather build a good communication between the Moles, Lindens, and Residents where we can work together without the word "advocate" involved and I don't really believe in policies being changed, to make it where you force people to do what you think is right. I am a believer in people making their own choices. I may not always agree with someone's choice but I do respect people having that right to make it.
Oh, for the love of Christ. This attitude of conformism -- what in the Soviet context used to be called "the aggressive silent majority," ie people who suck up to the Soviet powers that be and don't criticize them publicly but bash those few who do quite aggressively -- so pandemic in SL, and it's so needless.
So I reply with both gun barrels, which I feel you have to do when somebody TAKING OVER THE GRID WITH THEIR GAME who is AGGRESSIVELY AGAINST criticizing the Lindens in anyway speaks in this horridly way like a com-symp. And completely turns advocacy on its ear, pretending that it is "forcing people to do what you think is right." What's been FORCED here, comrades, is the GTFO game all over the grid, and the Lindens' decision to make Bellisseria a priority and put all their top resources into it at the expense of making the rest of the Mainland more amenable.
Therese says charitably, because she's just a nicer person and has been in SL less time than me:
I'm at work so can't properly reply but I'm loving all this, and yes I think the moves done for Mainland has improved it immensely and renewed interest..there are still floating prims under 1000m in many areas but there is much more love and much more aesthetic planning than previously seen 10 years ago
Vega makes this intervention:
I agree @Therese Tammas, the mainland has greatly improved, compared to what it use to look like in the past. I also like the exposure/attention that is starting to be directed more towards the mainlands. Bellisseria was good for more than one reason, not just the kickass homes but the attention it seemed to bring to the different mainlands. It feels like more people are considerate to their neighbours now, there is more care being taken with the land and it is looking better. Yes, there is still areas that are problematic, but I do hope with time and more attention, we will see that changing as well.
Well, this simply isn't true. There isn't attention to the other mainlands. The Linden road building which began years ago, which has gone very slowly, which is incomplete in many areas, continues, and there are some nice Mainland builds, but it's nothing at all at the scale of Bellisseria. And you can't possibly say people are more considerate when in fact they aren't. I can tell you of dozens of situations proving this false, and hardly involving only me, as my examples wouldn't be trustworthy. Somebody who keeps their land that has lakewater passage on it blocked on access-only so that dozens of neighbours can't boat on a lake is not "considerate" but a total fucking asshole. The Lindens are to blame for setting up this situation -- it was unnecessary -- but they wanted us to pay tier, not them.
My comment:
GTFO is fine for what it is, but what I think would be good is if there was competition to GTFO based on a different concept. With "get out the freight" literally the root of your concept, the builds tend toward the concrete and steel and the warehouse, whatever eggs or baked goods you might weave in. So as I said, it would be good if some other group made a game/activity focused more on travel itself, or sort of scavenger hunts, or put and take of items, rather than the big builds which require owning or renting land. So for example, I could put out a box on my land that would be coded in such a way that someone could deliver eggs or milk to me or flowers or whatever. Just an alternative idea.
Vega claims:
I would say that it's approx. 60 - 65% of our GTFO hubs are a wide variety of different types of builds, other than warehouses, which is now approx. 35-40%. I know this because I'm the personal assistant to the owner of GTFO and one of the ladies that helps occasionally do the setups for the hubs.
So what are these "wide variety of builds other than warehouses" given that freight is the main concept? I wasn't deterred from buying and renting out land by Lake Caldera, for example, because I find that GTFO locations don't always stay and sometimes fold their tents but there is quite a hulk of a one over that lake. And I could site others that were like this, i.e. in Itame, that are gone now. Once again, I can only tell you what I see in front of my eyes every day, and what I have seen isn't likely to make me go seek out lovely farmsteads but I'll keep it in mind.
{I could note that this 65% stuff is just an outright lie. Just go on any sim or 100 sims and look at the GTFO on the map and then TP to it. They are warehouses. WAREHOUSES. Not other things. It's astounding to me that she could tell such an outright falsehood.}
So here we go again with Vega "setting me straight" because I am not to believe my "lying eyes" of what I see on the grid, in front of me, but am to disregard "outdated information":
Vega: The reason I commented is because you are working with outdated information. GTFO "Get the Freight Out", has been, in the last year, undergoing quite a few changes. There is some areas that still hold onto the warehouse models and that is their choice to do so, which I respect but to say that is mostly what GTFO is now, is incorrect. Cinn is the new owner from the previous one and she has been working diligently with our Server Elves in expanding and creating a system that will go beyond what GTFO was originally. I think you will understand though if I keep some of the surprises to come, quiet at this time but let's say that the system is going to be more than just freight, in the future.
It's not "some" but "most". The main change in the last year is WAY MORE GTFOS which means way, way more map blights and warehouse intrusion. If the system is more than freight, I can only express the greatest apprehension, because managers with this much lying, this much misrepresentation of the situation on the ground, this much bullshit, will lie about whatever else they are doing because it gives them either financial benefit or reputational enhancement. Don't be fooled into thinking that people who provide games "for free" or that only have "in-game currency" that only has "inworld prizes" are somehow not making money. I'd ask questions about their rentals of land to players. I'd ask if the Lindens were in on it in any form. And I'd point out that reputational enhancement is not trivial. If you can put on your resume that you ran a massive cross-road freight game, it helps you in RL business and potential other related businesses in SL. This is not altruism, especially when you cannot tell the truth of it.
I ask:
So what are these "wide variety of builds other than warehouses" given that freight is the main concept? I wasn't deterred from buying and renting out land by Lake Caldera, for example, because I find that GTFO locations don't always stay and sometimes fold their tents but there is quite a hulk of a one over that lake. And I could site others that were like this, i.e. in Itame, that are gone now. Once again, I can only tell you what I see in front of my eyes every day, and what I have seen isn't likely to make me go seek out lovely farmsteads but I'll keep it in mind.
Vega says:
Correct me if I misunderstand but you are talking about 1 warehouse that is in your area?
Typical snide assholery of a public official who has lied from the get-go in answer to a legitimate complaint, trying to minimize your true impressions. Um, no, not just one warehouse, comrade. It's safe to say I'm talking about HUNDREDS. Go look on the fucking grid. I reply:
It's not that I'm working with outdated information. It's that your beautification message apparently hasn't reached all your users, and I can only repeat what I see on sim after sim after sim, and I'm happy to go out and take screenshots if that would help. I report what I see, not your aspirations. But SL is a big place. On other continents you may be more pretty, and I don't see it as much. I appreciate that you want to flog GTFO, but honestly, marring the map with your logo (needless), using a term that in fact is a swear word (causing brand confusion for sure), not having any way players can actually make cash -- these are all negatives and your effort, while as I said is great for giving people "something to do" is not without its flaws. But it doesn't matter, truly, because SL is a big place, and I have even had tenants with what might even have been some of your more unlovely builds, but everything needs competition in an open society and it wouldn't hurt for others to appear, just as with horses.
No, read what I wrote. I have land on 50 sims. I visit them constantly. Every day I see GTFO on a map of a sim somewhere. I see lots and lots of GTFOs every day. Beyond those 50 sims, i visit others, where I also see GTFO sites. Lots and lots of them. It's safe to say that I have seen dozens if not hundreds of GTFOs spread over 100 plus sims. Because every sim where I have land has a sim next to it. You're just not willing to hear the problem, but I don't want to go out snapshotting right now, I have better things to do. Accept that because you've given your users free will to use even old "outdated" concrete styles, they...do.
So here's just 5 that I quickly went and snapped -- out of the 5, only one is "aesthetic" in terms of being a field of trees and a dark, although the signs are cluttery -- the rest are all concrete bunkers and tanks and such -- good Lord, one even has Communist insignia. So having a diner among them makes it a little more amenable but they're still...warehouses. Because, you know, it's a *freight* game. Click on any GTFO on the map, and you find them like 4 of these pictures, not the 5th. I realize there may be charming little Japanese kaiseki restaurants seating only 12 with fresh fish and roe and persimmons and leeks delivered twice daily on GTFO bicycles, creating gorgeously picturesque scenes, but we know what GTFO is. There's no need to argue about it. It's great you're diversifying it. Diversity happens when there's more than one company/game/product.
Vega replies:
Actually, I'm not here to "flog" GTFO as you say but to correct you with your erroneous statements. You want to claim that they are predominantly warehouses, when that is not the case. As I said, there is some but they are no longer the predominant style like they use to be. You don't appear to really be open to correction though and it does seem that you wish to argue with someone who not only has the stats but has visited every one of those hubs, all 500+ of them.
As for our Logo, you would have to take that matter up with the original owner on why they wished to have it like that but there is no brand confusion at all, regarding it. Everyone knows what it stands for, including you. Just to clarify, that logo is very small on the map and is used by the players to help assist them in locating the hubs, especially for our airbourne and water vehicles, though the road drivers do find it very handy as well. Compared to large signs and logos that I have seen, that cover entire regions, it's miniscule compared to those behemoths.
As for your point regarding the players earning cash, we don't want to be a pyramid scheme, like some games have turned into, so that is not really a flaw but more of a bonus, because you know we are not there to rip you off in extra charges.
As for those hub owners who decide to retain their larger builds and older styled warehouses, that is their choice and I respect that because it is also their land. Our company is inclusive, friendly and non-judgemental. We won't force anyone to do something they don't wish to do.
Um, actually, she clearly sees her job or role in a society keen on reputational enhancement to indeed flog GTFO. It's not small on the map. Open up the map of any sim area and you will see it, and note that it is not "small". It's not miniscule. And it does cover more territory than a small 512 parcel in most areas for sure.
Within 5 minutes, I found 5 and snapped them -- I could have done 105. It will never be enough for someone as aggressive, duplicitious, and dim-witted as this:
Vega: That is a mere 5 and of those 5, one is a Leeward CC area primarily. That is what they are set up for mainly. Unlike you though, I will respect their right to set up their land the way they wish. As I said, between 35-40% of them are warehouses and we have 500+ hubs. I could also take you through Satori, Jeogoet, Sansara, Heterocera, Fruit Islands, Bellisseria, Corsica, and Nautilus, to name some of them, and show you a ton more that are all really well put together and varied in style. I'm sorry Prof, but you have your view point and it is erroneous. I just wanted to correct it but I won't waste more time on someone who just feels like arguing.
See, here's the cruz of the issue she unwittingly reveals. She doesn't police their users. Nobody does. They can "do what they want". It's not true only 35% are warehouses -- she's being literalist by conflating the fact that some of them involve sea or air freight and are staging areas and not technically roadside "warehouses". But they still involve concrete, steel, wood beams, and ugly industrial aesthetic. Some people love industrial aesthetic in SL. I like some of it too. Just not EVERYWHERE. It's not that I'm "incorrect". It's that I'm telling the truth about what is before my eyes, and can be before your eyes, too, if you look.
I reply:
I think it's great that you developed this game that has kept people involved with the Mainland.
I can only report what I see EVERYWHERE with my own eyes in what I think is a fairly large slice of SL. You keep saying that X percent of the sites are different, but they are different by degrees that still don't mitigate against the whole concept of "warehouse" which by its nature, cannot be an aesthetic park or beach. Clearly, you are very attached to this and spent a lot of effort on it, but it's simply not persuasive to keep telling someone like me who sees a LOT of the Mainland that they have "erroneous information" when I see what is in front of my eyes.
It's like this horrendous plague of driverless vehicles. I literally see hundreds of stupid green flying buses a day that in any other context would be considered spam and griefing. But because Lindens love the idea of load tests and sim seam tests they don't have to do and pay staff to track, and because there was that one time that a forums queen went on one of these vehicles in 2010 and thought it was delightful, those of us who actually live and work on the Mainland have to suffer this blight. Try to hear it. The map is a shared space, and GTFO is a tragedy of the commons. It's hardly the worst -- the big hearts and those GIGANTIC domes are far worse a problem, but it's annoying.
The logo isn't "very small" on the map because it covers the whole parcel. Lots of people do that and I find it tacky and annoying. It's everywhere. It's also your right. Since it is so hard to find entry into the economy, it's a shame that it doesn't have cash really, although I realize that has all kinds of pitfalls. Maybe it could be like Bing, make users who want to play "Rewards" spent ridiculously long amounts of time searching for stuff or filling out quizzes in order to earn a US $5 value Amazon card. You could give them gatchas once a week.
Your notion that the WAREHOUSES are built better in Nautilus or the Fruit Islands (those are islands, not Mainland) -- again -- doesn't mitigate the fact that they are WAREHOUSES. Because, you know, it's GTFO, hello! And you haven't supplied any pictures, and I gave you 5 in 5 minutes.
Um, I don't "disrespect" their right to do WTF they want on their land, that sacred FU hedonism of Mainland creed which is responsible for its greatest ills. I have even rented to customers who put the damn things on my lot, and since technically they didn't violate my rules, I tolerated it, although I don't think my neighbours with pretty seaside cottages were very happy. But you have a problem here even if only 30% are ugly because of your free-will values. That's a high percent. The end. You're welcome to have whatever last word you need to have, everyone else knows what their eyes see.
anamats, who is someone who repeatedly came to my sim and repeatedly abuse-reported me for encroachment because 1) I criticized his plan for massive takeover of the cross-sim issue with vehicles and scripts of his making 2) he believed falsely that my tiny "encroachment" in Grote was preventing his vehicle from driving -- it was actually a poorly-made Linden road which the Lindens came and fixed -- but not before banning me for a day from SL, losing me business and income, even if in small amounts, for my supposed encroachment. I marvel at this because I went to a great deal of effort to move my ramps and parking lots, even though it now meant my tenants couldn't get out of the parking lot easily at Flamingo Court, so if there was "encroachment" remaining it was miniscule, something missed. But still, I got banned for a day. Because that's how they role. They chose an aggressive scripter of their own clan who loves Capture Roleplay games (Ugh!) with grand visions of grid-wide schemes, over a person who pays them a fair amount of tier. This has ALWAYS been the problem with the Lindens.
Just because it's industrial, it doesn't have to look awful. The climbing ivy improves the brick wall.
A friend's freight hub. Simple and well-kept. Decorative fencing helps here.
Should SL have zoning? Something to think about for mainland. Bellesaria is single-family residential, with occasional public areas. One of the big landlords has about five different zones, from single-family residential to heavy industrial. New Babbage has building inspection for city consistency and quality.
@Vega Firelyte Oh, hey, I see you're my new neighbour in Tuliptree.
And that what you decided to do was to find some abandoned land near one of my areas, buy it, and put up one of your delightful GTFO outlets and get in my face, ensuring that those parcels near it will be unlikely to rent (as is usually the case with GTFO pops up, something I tolerate in my own rentals even when I rent to GTFO at the expense of other parcels, it's a balancing act). I researched this, and I realize you're going to claim you didn't do this, but that's what you did.
This one is called "FarmFresh" although it has neither a farm or fresh food, but perhaps those are to come? More to the point it has two gigantic, unnecessary billboards. One is on your land, and the other is on a 112 m microparcel you sold to an ad-farmer who put your GTFO ad on his board.
Ugly, unnecessary, and not viewed by anyone, except put deliberately in my face because I dared to criticize your blighting of the Mainland. It's not enough that you entirely blight the map with GTFO every few squares; you have to put up these big billboards which hardly anybody sees except my tenants in small residences who aren't going to do GTFO -- those who want to already rent large parcels.
You bought land which has literally been abandoned for something like 12 years, since the Lindens cracked down on first-land flippers (they don't have the first-land program any more) and banned some of them and their land was abandoned. The nearby railroad apparently bought it and then abandoned it much later when they needed to tier down. So you requested it, with a mission in mind, I saw what you did there. It's ludicrous, because if speed and efficiency are a function of your game, trying to worm your way out of that tiny entrance and through the railroad works to get out to the highway -- it's NOT roadside - is a ridiculous time loss.
So when people deliberately try to harass me over my opinions on the forums -- which are valid, and my experience, and my right -- I abuse report them , although it goes "nowhere". But I do think the Lindens need a policy not to sell abandoned land to people who then cut up microparcels for ads or to sell to ad-farmers. They may feel secondary purchases are impossible to police but that's what ARs are for. Abandoned land, which the Lindens now are unloading in large numbers, contrary to their past much slower and more miserly policy.
Remember, those tuning in, my VALID criticism of GTFO's blighting of the map (it's everywhere) and warehouses taking up the view in most of their views, is not my personal opinion, and not driven merely by me having residential lots for rent, but a feeling shared by many, including even in this thread. And our expression of this criticism doesn't harm the increasingly monopolistic and oppressive GTFO, which hasn't lost any business because a few of their neighbours complained on the forums, read by 5% of the user population. If anything, it's GTFO that hurts the business of other businesses next to them, or hurts the pretty view that someone thought they had when they bought, say, lakeside property. It wouldn't occur to me to someone try to sabotage or boycott GTFO merely because I don't like their builds -- that's wrong. And as I've said numerous times, I have tenants doing GTFO!
But when people attempt to harm me or my business in SL, I fight back. I AR them. I ban them -- that's the minimum, let them taste banlines.
I wait 30 days. Most things go away in 30 days, for all kinds of reasons. Since escalating action often leads to the opposite effect -- you complain about an encroaching build and sim crashing, and you get a giant refrigerator on your cost for four or more years -- I wait.
Then I go to the next steps.
o Brick walls on all sides of the billboard. I have the prims to go up to 4096 if need be. The Lindens have a rule that you cannot totally block another's property on all 4 sides -- this method of fighting the ad farms was something they used to punish users for, as they sat idly by letting their fellow computer programmers sell 16m parcels for $10,000 and remove giant IMPEACH BUSH or MR. LEE'S HONG KONG ad boards. But you can block on 2-3 sides, and with cooperative neighbours, that's often enough.
o Constant publication of bad behavior
o Continued ARS, urging all those affected to AR.
o Mass petitions -- I have a tenant on one sim who got so tired of ONE PERSON blocking the sailing on an entire lake because the Lindens were foolhardy enough to sell water inside lakes and not create Linden protected land inside them that he got dozens of people who lived there to petition the person doing this. She hasn't taken of "access only" yet but he will keep at it. People who put "access only" have the right to do so, and they believe it is necessary for privacy. But there are several ways you can do this and mitigate it:
-- Only put your land to access only when you are actually logged in. If you are mainly not logging on to SL, there's no reason to block boating around your land for everyone. If you're afraid they might fly up to your skybox and go on your sex furniture, understood, but you can either put that away or put up an orb just for the perimeter of that skybox. To block your entire parcel of 4096 plus, when you have no builds on the ground, is insanity.
-- Cut a 32m strip around your land -- leave that open. Put the rest of your land on "access only" but for the love of God, at least let people pass by on water or roadside without being bashed by banlines or orbs.
The Lindens have gotten lax about policing ad farms, and I see them back again with the same insanity, ugly builds and ridiculous prices to "buy back the view". Their rule is that you can't have more than one per sim, I think it is. So that's a basis for ARs, but sometimes just an AR for the extortionist price, if there are multiple instances, can be enough.
When you deal with me, you'll find that I can wait forever. I can wait years for situations to be righted. You can try to harass and bully me off my land or discourage me from expressing my views, but it can't stand. So give it up. Mind your own business. You have enough of the grid under your control without deliberately coming to harass me and my tenants.
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